I haven't been following this story that closely, but has there been evidence of bribes. Obviously the Burisma "job" Hunter received is one thing, but i wouldnt be quick to guess Diamond Joe was in the pocket.
Companies hire people all the time for supposed "access". Hell, political staffers wouldnt have jobs at their lobbying firms if this didnt exist.
In any event, even if Hunter did express his father's interest or knowledge of dealings, how can anyone take that at face value? This dude is a crackhead trying to peddle his "access" to the highest bidder. Who knows what the epitome of "do you know who my father is?" said to business interests to get a quick cash inflow.
Also that text message makes me laugh. The way it is written is so desperate that there is no way Joe Biden is sitting there lol
Nobody has ever accused Hunter Biden of being very smart. He has made a number of very poor decisions in his life, so whats another incriminating text on the pile?
As for other evidence, there's a video of Joe Biden bragging about strong-arming the Ukrainian PM Poroshenko into firing the Attorney General Shokin who was investigating Burisma for corruption by threatening to withhold a billion dollars in foreign aid loan guarantees.
There's also this (mostly) unredacted, recently released FBI witness statement known as the FD-1023 that details the alleged bribes paid by Burisma's CEO to the Bidens for getting rid of their Shokin problem.
- "and they hired Hunter Biden to "protect us, through his dad, from all kinds of problems"
-"CHS suggested it would best if Burisma simply litigate the matter In Ukraine, and pay some attorney $50,000. Zlochevsky said he/Burisma would likely lose the trial because he could not show that Burisma was innocent;
Zlochevsky also laughed at CHS's number of $50,000 (not because of the small amount, but because the number contained a "5 ") and said that "it costs 5 (million) to pay one Biden, and 5 (million) to another Biden"
- "Zlochevsky made some comment that although Hunter Biden was stupid, and his (Zlochevsky's) dog was smarter," Zlochevsky needed to keep Hunter Biden (on the board) so everything will be okay."
- CHS inquired whether Zlochevsky was happy with the US election results. Zlochevsky replied that he was not happy Trump won the election. CHS asked Zlochevsky whether he was concerned about Burisma's involvement with the Bidens. Zlochevsky stated he didn't want to pay the Bidens and he was "pushed to pay" them. (CHS explained the Russian term Zlochevsky used to explain the payments was poluchili (transliterated by the CHS), which literally translates to "got it" or "received it", but is also used in Russian-criminal-slang for being "forced or coerced to pay." Zlochevsky stated Shokin had already been fired, and no investigation was currently going on, and that nobody would find out about his financial dealings with the Bidens. CHS then stated, "l hope you have some back-up (proof) For your words (namely, that Zlochevsky was "forced" to pay the Bidens). Zlochevsky replied he has many text messages and "recordings" that show that he was coerced to make such payments.
- CHS mentioned Zlochevsky might have difficulty explaining suspicious wire transfers that may evidence any (Illicit) payments to the Bidens. Zlochevsky responded he did not send any funds directly to the "Big Guy" (which CHS understood was a reference to Joe Biden). CHS asked Zloehevsky how many companies/bank accounts Zlochevsky controls; Zlochevsky responded it would take them (Investigators) 10 years to find the records (i.e. illicit payments to Joe Biden).
There is also this 32 page memo released by the House Oversight Committee's investigation into untangling the web of 20 (and counting) LLC shell companies set up by Hunter that he allegedly laundered millions of dollars from China, Ukraine and Romania through. That money was dispersed to 9 different Biden family members despite providing no discernible value or service in return. Yes, this is coming from a Republican-run committee, but the bank statements and wire transfers don't lie.
This is all just literally scraping the surface of the evidence revealed so far. I haven't even mentioned the IRS whistleblowers who testified last week that they were blocked and prevented from bringing felony tax evasion charges against Hunter due to political interference from the DOJ, which is a whole other kettle of stinky corrupt fish as has been evidenced by the breakdown of the DOJ and Hunters sweetheart plea deal this week.
Again, you can't peddle influence if you don't have the means to follow through. China (or Ukraine, or Romaina, or or or..) isn't sending Hunter Biden millions of dollars out of the kindness of their hearts or for his amazing business acumen.
The more you start to follow the story, the worse it becomes. This is truly The Big Ugly.
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And in the instance of stuff with enough evidence to result in indictments there's a superceding indictment in Trump's document case adding 2 more obstruction charges for trying to delete security footage.
They've also indicted Carlos De Oliveira, a maintenance worker at Mar-a-Lago, for lying to investigators. Oliveira supposedly told another Mar-a-Lago worker that Trump wanted the security footage deleted.
EDIT: Also appears that the new indictment specifically mentions the Iran document that where the Trump audio clip has him saying he could have declassified it but didn't and is showing it to randos. I wonder if that means they managed to get the document from Trump or his lawyers.
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My first reaction while watching this was feeling sad for him. Then I got upset that I felt that way.
Exactly. There's a special place in hell (which I don't believe in, so this is all moot) for people like McConnell. ####### of the highest degree. We all die, and many of us to a not so ripe age, so I'm not going to feel too bad if the end is near for someone like him. The reality is that he has substantially effected the lifespan of many people in this country with just a few key decisions about the supreme court. The life expectancy of millions of women will likely go down in the future thanks to him. So yeah, #### that guy. No sympathy from me at this point.
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I think it's pretty naive to believe that Hunter could be peddling his fathers influence without Joe's knowledge. I mean, the whole point of influence peddling is selling access and favors. Nobody is going to send millions of dollars in bribes to Hunter if they aren't receiving value in return.
Show me the connection then, find me the evidence of Joe receiving benefit and him making a decision or something that favoured those countries or companies. Until then it’s an unsavoury story that deals with Hunter and yes casts suspicions on Joe but there is nothing to connect it yet. It can’t be on innuendo.
I've long felt that the day one turns 60 is the day that they are no longer eligible to run for elected office, and that term limits for elected office are a maximum of 4 years.
If one turns 60 while currently elected, they can finish out their term of service, but are not eligible to run for re-election.
Sixty is probably a little young but there needs to be some limit to kick demented old ####s out of office.
Diane Feinstein is 90 and tried to debate during a vote. She had to be told to "just say aye". If you need help performing such a simple task you shouldn't be running a country.
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Airline pilots face mandatory retirement at age 67 (increased last month from 65 due to an ongoing pilot shortage) even though they must pass a thorough medical exam every six months and routinely undergo mandatory simulator training to confirm they can safely perform their duties. At most, an airline pilot has a few hundred lives in his or her hands. Politicians make decisions that affect tens or hundreds of millions of people. In extreme cases, some issues even affect billions. And there's absolutely no requirement that an elected official pass any kind of medical or cognitive competency test to ensure they are fit for duty.
Sixty is probably a little young but there needs to be some limit to kick demented old ####s out of office.
Remember though, that it's 60 plus a possible additional 4 years, if they get elected while they are 59. 60-61 has been the average age of retirement in the US for quite some time, and I think that should (and perhaps especially) apply to politicians and judges.
Sixty is probably a little young but there needs to be some limit to kick demented old ####s out of office.
Diane Feinstein is 90 and tried to debate during a vote. She had to be told to "just say aye". If you need help performing such a simple task you shouldn't be running a country.
You should start your last term in office prior to turning 60. That way the absolute oldest member of congress would be 66 and limited to the senate. I made this suggestion like a year ago and got dogpiled for being ageist but the proof is in the pudding. The senior members of congress are out of insulated from the realities that affect most people, are out of touch, and are facing cognitive decline that makes them a liability to achieving effective governance.
I would also like to see mandatory testing for all members who wish to run for office. I would like to see them pass civics and ethics tests before being allowed on the ticket. After seeing Bobert and Greene I would also include intelligence testing to weed out the incompetent. We really need better people with more on the ball running congress.
Oh, and I would like everyone to run as independents. No more parties and no more tickets. Vote for the best person and let them represent your district. Make votes more representative and make them matter again.
If the Democrats were smart, they'd just make it all official party policy. Do you want to vote for the party with standards, or the one that lets any demented hillbilly run?
The more you start to follow the story, the worse it becomes. This is truly The Big Ugly.
I dunno. It seems every time the Republicans pull something out to show corruption and link things together it turns into a house of cards that falls apart as the slightest breath of air.
The FD-1023 was thoroughly vetted by the DOJ/FBI and there was currently nothing tangible to support the claims made by the attached confidential informant. They did have an open investigation and the information provided by the CI was still being investigated but the release of this information ended that. The release of this information now makes it inadmissible in court and ends the investigation into the CI and those claims. To me, this indicates the Republicans knew this was going nowhere and wouldn't lead to much so they released it hoping the average Joe voter who doesn't have much on the ball would think this was damaging. It is a classic smear campaign tactic.
The two IRS whistleblowers were dismantled under questioning in the Oversight Committee and came away looking like rubes. You would think that an entity like the IRS that relies on documentation these two would have been able to produce a paper trail? What we got was heresy and dick pictures. Again, the Republicans are their own worst enemy here as this again comes off as nothing like a smear campaign.
What matters is what is provable in court and what can convince a grand jury to draft up charges. So far there has been zero and as has been pointed out, this all began under Trump's watch and Biden was not in office. This has generated plenty of innuendo but nothing tangible that could lead to indictments. The fact that this keeps going on is reminiscent of Benghazi and the email probes. A lot of smoke and mirrors but nothing of substance.
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On the Hunter Biden thing:
I think it's likely that Hunter took money from people by telling them that they would get access to Joe. I also think it's likely that he never followed through.
What recourse do those people have?
"Hey I'm gonna sue you for not living up to your end of this bribery scheme"
Even if Joe was as corrupt as Fox News says he was, does anyone think he would put Hunter in charge of the influence pedaling?
Fredo's a good boy, but you don't put him in charge of anything important.
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Just goes to show all you need to do is repeat stuff enough times and lots of people will believe it because it lines up with what they want to believe.
A million times this.
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