2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Monahan looked cooked. Garland does not. While Monahan has rebounded, at the time that was no guarantee.

Maybe - but there is a reason they've been trying to move him for about 8 months now and haven't been able to. Nobody wants that contract.

In this season and last Garland has 51 points in his last 96 games. (0.53 PPG)

Monahan had 51 points in his last 115 games as a Flame (0.44 PPG)

Garland doesn't have the injury concerns but nobody seems to be lining up to take that contract.

I actually like the player too and would have no issue taking him on, but it doesn't feel like NHL GMs agree.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe - but there is a reason they've been trying to move him for about 8 months now and haven't been able to. Nobody wants that contract.

In this season and last Garland has 51 points in his last 96 games. (0.53 PPG)

Monahan had 51 points in his last 115 games as a Flame (0.44 PPG)

Garland doesn't have the injury concerns but nobody seems to be lining up to take that contract.

It's hard to gauge if no one wants it or if no one can take it until they get cap relief. The teams that would want a player like that for right now, can't fit it. The teams that will take him but want an incentive want an incentive that the Canucks aren't willing to give.

Garland's production is coming with minimal power play time and from the third and fourth line. If you watch any Canucks games or pull up the analytics, you'll see that the Canucks third line is Garland and two coat tails as far as offensive zone pressure. He's not a problem. He's a victim of there only being six chairs for seven players and he's on the outside looking in due to chemistry.

I don't think the Canucks want to trade Garland anymore. I think if they could find another way to do this, they would. I think they know they can't justify being steadfast in the "No sweetener no retention" rhetoric with Beauvillier and they just really don't want to do that if they can avoid it. They see a path where there's a hockey trade for Garland and they're willing to wait for it.


Well were, before Soucey got hurt. That definitely changes the math.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe - but there is a reason they've been trying to move him for about 8 months now and haven't been able to. Nobody wants that contract.

In this season and last Garland has 51 points in his last 96 games. (0.53 PPG)

Monahan had 51 points in his last 115 games as a Flame (0.44 PPG)

Garland doesn't have the injury concerns but nobody seems to be lining up to take that contract.

I actually like the player too and would have no issue taking him on, but it doesn't feel like NHL GMs agree.

Garland, small soft winger who puts up same PPG as a scoring center and has two more years left on his contract. Let the Canucks figure him out with someone else, just grab picks and prospects from them if they want defensive help. If they can find some way to add 3 or 4 million for a dman and keep Garland great. If not trade him without a sweetener, best of luck.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe - but there is a reason they've been trying to move him for about 8 months now and haven't been able to. Nobody wants that contract.

In this season and last Garland has 51 points in his last 96 games. (0.53 PPG)

Monahan had 51 points in his last 115 games as a Flame (0.44 PPG)

Garland doesn't have the injury concerns but nobody seems to be lining up to take that contract.

I actually like the player too and would have no issue taking him on, but it doesn't feel like NHL GMs agree.

Garland, unfortunately, suffers from the bias a lot of undersized players do. If he's not producing, he's not seen as contributing. There is some truth to that. You can be feisty and dig for pucks, but, in a full contact game, it's a lot easier to play against undersized players.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Garland, small soft winger who puts up same PPG as a scoring center and has two more years left on his contract. Let the Canucks figure him out with someone else, just grab picks and prospects from them if they want defensive help. If they can find some way to add 3 or 4 million for a dman and keep Garland great. If not trade him without a sweetener, best of luck.

Garland is a lot of things. Soft isn't any of them. Guy is pure sand paper for his size.

Originally Posted by blankall

Garland, unfortunately, suffers from the bias a lot of undersized players do. If he's not producing, he's not seen as contributing. There is some truth to that. You can be feisty and dig for pucks, but, in a full contact game, it's a lot easier to play against undersized players.

Anyone that thinks Garland isn't contributing is blind or telling me they don't watch the games.... Like Mr Gavey above.

[PepsiFree]

I don’t watch a lot (any?) Canucks games so it might be a stupid question/comparison, but from the descriptions Garland sounds a lot like Mangiapane.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Rebuild, retool, reconstruct...not what Conroy is doing. Hebwill sculpt the team, I tell ya! Take off some here, add some there, move this and that around, and boom! A monster of a team! Whether the monster can play hockey...

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t watch a lot (any?) Canucks games so it might be a stupid question/comparison, but from the descriptions Garland sounds a lot like Mangiapane.

I don't think Garland or Mangiapane are particularly unique. If you look around the league you'll probably find a dozen or so players that fit this profile. As an example, Tanner Pearson very much so fit this for many years. But those reliable 2nd line guys with some grind to them are necessary to win.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Sandman

CBJ put Emil Bemstrom on waivers.

What are your thoughts on him? He plays with a lot of pace and can fly out there. To get waived by CBJ though, what's his deal?

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Garland's contract isn't bad. 5 million for a 2nd line play driver is a really good amount. The issue in Vancouver is there's not room on the second line.

Oh I don't think it's bad, hence the quotes, I just meant it more-so as the "big" salary coming back the other way to make the cap work.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Garland is a lot of things. Soft isn't any of them. Guy is pure sand paper for his size.





Anyone that thinks Garland isn't contributing is blind or telling me they don't watch the games.... Like Mr Gavey above.

Yes, players that have been mediocre for years are all of the sudden absolute studs because Pettersson and Hughes are. And all the prospects are studs. And Hoglander is a stud just trying to figure out the defensive game. Sand paper guys who score 50 points actually have a market in the NHL at 4.95 million.

[Harry Lime]

I don't think Calgary would want term coming back, and would prefer prospects at D or center instead of wing. Cap has to come back either way. Beauvillier is on the fourth line there.

Beauvillier and Raty for Tanev probably works.

[Vinny01]

I don’t want the Flames taking any added years of term unless it is in a Kadri or Huberdeau deal. I would rather get as many picks, prospects and expiring deals to have maximum flexibility next season. If they do take added term I want the other team to pay a decent sweetener.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Yes, players that have been mediocre for years are all of the sudden absolute studs because Pettersson and Hughes are. And all the prospects are studs. And Hoglander is a stud just trying to figure out the defensive game. Sand paper guys who score 50 points actually have a market in the NHL at 4.95 million.

What?

Are you looking for an argument because you're bored? If so can you try a bit harder. This is some bottom of the barrel snark you're trotting out while also being out to lunch on how much production 5 mill gets you.

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I don't think Calgary would want term coming back, and would prefer prospects at D or center instead of wing. Cap has to come back either way. Beauvillier is on the fourth line there.

Beauvillier and Raty for Tanev probably works.

I think that's both accurate and a "fair" deal. I don't think the Flames make that because I'd bet money on someone offering more than that.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t want the Flames taking any added years of term unless it is in a Kadri or Huberdeau deal. I would rather get as many picks, prospects and expiring deals to have maximum flexibility next season. If they do take added term I want the other team to pay a decent sweetener.

As long as it's 2 more years or less it's fine. You have a lot of UFAs this year bad no real big contracts to re-sign on the horizon.

If taking on those deals gets you better return then you should do it every time during a rebuild.

Arizona has accumulated a lot of picks by doing this.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

As long as it's 2 more years or less it's fine. You have a lot of UFAs this year bad no real big contracts to re-sign on the horizon.

If taking on those deals gets you better return then you should do it every time during a rebuild.

Arizona has accumulated a lot of picks by doing this.

That is why I said sweetners need to be added. Having a lot of cap space at the draft opens up chances to add more picks and prospects by weaponizing their cap space. They could probably use to take Dmen with term back.

[Sofa GM]

The boys on Barnburner briefly discussing Carolina needing goaltending, and what about bigger trade potential here.

To CAR
Markstrom ($2MM retained)
Andersson
2024 3rd

To Cal
Necas
Jarvis
Martinook

Gives CAR the best defense in the league by a mile. Also gives them a key signed defenseman long term where they have many key ones coming UFA after this season and likely won’t keep them all.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

The boys on Barnburner briefly discussing Carolina needing goaltending, and what about bigger trade potential here.

To CAR
Markstrom ($2MM retained)
Andersson
2024 3rd

To Cal
Necas
Jarvis
Martinook

Gives CAR the best defense in the league by a mile. Also gives them a key signed defenseman long term where they have many key ones coming UFA after this season and likely won’t keep them all.

That would be a steal for the Flame IMO. Necas and Jarvis are already better than most, if not all of the forwards in our top 6.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

The boys on Barnburner briefly discussing Carolina needing goaltending, and what about bigger trade potential here.

To CAR
Markstrom ($2MM retained)
Andersson
2024 3rd

To Cal
Necas
Jarvis
Martinook

Gives CAR the best defense in the league by a mile. Also gives them a key signed defenseman long term where they have many key ones coming UFA after this season and likely won’t keep them all.

If Conroy pulled this off I would get a back tattoo of him.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Conroy pulled this off I would get a back tattoo of him.

Hahaha, yeah I figured it might be a bit offside