[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think reality is "left leaning" considering a large portion of the rights platform is based on a magical man in the sky and his magic book

"The Art of the Deal".

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by browna

If Notley goes, the NDP in the province becomes as irrelevant a party as the Liberals have degenerated into the last elections...and she knows that.

One party rule works for China. Why not Alberta?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think her dad ran in 3 or 4 of them.

Of course, the party was not always the opposition and never had a chance of winning so the optics were different. Broadbent was leader federally for 4 elections but was extremely individually popular and thge NDP was always a third party so winning ands losing wasn’t really the parameter by which he was judged.

[Jacks]

That’s the catch 22 of it all. He would have needed a party with a seat or two and 10% of the vote like the Greg Clarke AP was. I agree that would be a better fit but then there would just be centrist and left vote splitting which you couldn’t win while doing. If you look at the support this election a lot of it was consolidating the AP support under the NDP.

We are in a two party system now so other than the Federal liberals post Trudeau I don’t see other options if he wants to get back into politics.

[hate the quoting bug]
I disagree, the Liberals were the official opposition and the NDP had 4 seats and were a rump party until they weren't. The non UCP vote will migrate to the strongest party or strongest leader. The NDP are strong today (like the Taft/Decore Liberals) but could be decimated next time if a star candidate emerges.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah but he started out with Stage 5 prick syndrome. I never understood the appeal of that guy. Just a mean spirited, self serving #######.

Actually when he had cancer and refused to step down that's when I least respected him. Take care of yourself, spend time with your family while you can. He cared more about political points than anything else.

Or am I way off here? That's how it came across to me.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Crazy how poor turnout was

Was that because a lot of centre-right people stayed home rather than vote for the ANDP?

If you want to effect change in your party as it hurtles away from you and your values, that is the wrong way to go about it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Endorsements isn't how these things should be judged but rather the nature of the ongoing coverage.

OK, show me all the heavily left leaning coverage from the majority of Canadian media.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah but he started out with Stage 5 prick syndrome. I never understood the appeal of that guy. Just a mean spirited, self serving #######.

You gotta admit that the guy had charisma.

[Manhattanboy]

I think it’s time we got rid of the right-left spectrum. The world is too complicated these days.

If I was leader that would be my platform. I’m not left or right.

I’m a fiscal but very very progressive conservative.

Everyone would find a home in my party. Because at the end of the day I believe as western Canadians we have so much in common snd very little that divides us.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Here we go can’t win it on the ice, let’s try and win it in the alley.

Don’t wasted your time Dion.

Don't confuse what I've said to me agreeing with much of what you post. You could help your cause by answering questions being asked of you. That's up to you.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

OK, show me all the heavily left leaning coverage from the majority of Canadian media.

Sample size of 1 but CTV was visibly and audibly upset as the night wore on.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

It’s a stupid idea.

But as I said before Bill 1 for the NDP was the legislation to raise the Alberta tax rate from 10-15% which was a terrible mistake.

Because they can’t help themselves they promised a fairly significant increase in corporate tax rates, which according to pundits tonight was another huge blunder.

Rachel could have easily won this election by moving slightly to the right, no new taxes and measures to attract outside investment.

As a staunch conservative she would have even got my vote.

But on her fiscal policy there was no chance I was switching sides.

That isn’t a defence of the policy. It’s a the other guy would have been worse which now that Smith is elected is not a reasonable argument anymore.

What’s funny is that as a result of this referendum policy the only taxes that can ever be raised are taxes on minorities and businesses. Any tax increase on the middle class will be rejected. Raising the rate on the 350k plus crowd to 25% or the non small business tax rate to 11% to fund Xxxx probably passes.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jacks

You gotta admit that the guy had charisma.

Yeah, see I disagree. All he had was barbs. It's easy to throw shots and look clever when you know, and everyone knows, you're never going to matter.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by zamler

Actually when he had cancer and refused to step down that's when I least respected him. Take care of yourself, spend time with your family while you can. He cared more about political points than anything else.

Or am I way off here? That's how it came across to me.

You're way off.

He cared more about the future and his country than himself. We celebrate that kinda #### every November 11th.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Let's nevermind the BS and just admit that the NDP has a selling and policy problem that go hand in hand. They need to play the game cleaner, better, smarter and with more fire power where it matters, like in rural Alberta. Alberta, like it or not is a more conservative province than other places in Canada. We have the national media in some ways stunned at what has happened but how many people who were born and raised here really surprised?

I don't align politically with Notley a lot but she is a good leader and she is good for Alberta as a strong, official opposition. Changing the name of the NDP party in the hopes of a better result is the same thing as Calgary Flames fan's wanting to change the name and expecting a Championship. It's nonsense.

You need smarter, more powerful players, making smarter and more effective moves. Sometimes there is something to be said about a more ground and pound approach.

In a way Smith is the reverse of changing the name. She successfully (a) changed the party itself internally into a radically RW party but (b) maintained the goodwill in the province associated with the traditional conservative name (as opposed to the Wild Rose debacle).

That said, I just don’t see how rural Alberta will change no matter what is done. They are just plain right wing. And not just fiscally.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by zamler

Sample size of 1 but CTV was visibly and audibly upset as the night wore on.

Perhaps the quip about being hungry was serious. I assume they figured they would be done by max, 10 pm as opposed to 12:30.

"Maybe CTV should spring for some pepperoni pizza" was what Gary Mar said

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by zamler

Jack Layton?

True. Gilles Duceppe for the Bloc in that same time frame apparently.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Yamer

You're way off.

He cared more about the future and his country than himself. We celebrate that kinda #### every November 11th.

You've jumped the shark here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

Sample size of 1 but CTV was visibly and audibly upset as the night wore on.

Being disappointed that someone like Smith won in one election is not really a sign of left leaning media.

And I doubt you are an unbiased observer.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Being disappointed that someone like Smith won in one election is not really a sign of left leaning media.

It 100% is.

And I doubt you are an unbiased observer.

No one is.