[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[Erick Estrada]

I'm happy to see the Knights out of the playoff picture but not at the expense of the Oilers taking their spot. Once the playoff starts it's all going to be about the Oilers and McDavid and we will be lucky if RSN even mentions the Flames series outside of MacLean being giddy when the Flames lose a game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think Eichel is anywhere near 100% at this point. He played only 21 games in roughly 2 calendar years and is coming off of a significant surgery. He's doing pretty well considering all that.

Well that was kinda the point of some people suggesting caution on the trade. And that said, Tuch came in mid season off pretty significant surgery too, and went on a PPG pace off the hop.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm happy to see the Knights out of the playoff picture but not at the expense of the Oilers taking their spot. Once the playoff starts it's all going to be about the Oilers and McDavid and we will be lucky if RSN even mentions the Flames series outside of MacLean being giddy when the Flames lose a game.

It’ll only take 4 games. Then the media won’t be able to talk about the oilers anymore.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Crazy how this has all turned out. Can't feel all that bad either!

It is not so crazy. There were plenty of observers from afar who were predicting that VGK would struggle to get Eichel into their lineup, and then struggle to make the playoffs as a result of the roster crunch. Well, it's happening.

As a number of us predicted this was really VGK's only chance to make this work, because they will be heading into the summer with $83.0 m of cap commitments for 2022-23 to only 16 players. The team will not look remotely the same next year.

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

When you need that many injuries just to have cap space for Eichel in the lineup, you have bigger problems.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Except that roster isn't cap compliant...not even close. If they were all healthy right now they still couldn't all play. Martinez has been in full practices since January.

For sure, but all they needed was Stone on LTIR to be cap compliant.

Don’t think it’s fair to say they need to be missing all of those guys to be cap compliant.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Tyler Toffoli
last 14 games: 8g 5a 13pts

Alex Tuch
last 14 games: 1g 9a 10pts

Peyton Krebs
last 14 games: 3g 6a 9pts

Jack Eichel
last 14 games: 5g 4a 9pts

Just a little addition.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think Eichel is anywhere near 100% at this point. He played only 21 games in roughly 2 calendar years and is coming off of a significant surgery. He's doing pretty well considering all that.

Yeah, absolutely bonkers to be making proclamations about how he has worked out on a new team this early on after nearly two seasons without hockey.

[gvitaly]

I personally think that it's still too early to tell. Eichel is still a top player that has missed significant time. He is adjusting to new teammates, and a new system. He might also not be back to 100% just yet. Eichel will have 4 more years after this one to justify that trade for the Kinghts.

Vegas is definitely struggling right now, but if they make the playoffs they can make some noise with all the additions. Moreover, aside from LTIR Vegas currently has 5 players on IR, for a total cap hit of $15.4M. If they get Reilly Smith, and Robin Lehner back they would be a much better team.

I'm still actively cheering for both Vegas and Edmonton to miss playoffs. It's unlikely they both miss it, but that would make it all the better.

[powderjunkie]

The 1st they traded is currently 16 or 17 OA. If some/all of DAL, WPG, VAN, ANA, and CBJ pass them it could be closer to 12 or 13OA.


Imagine if they kept those assets and used them differently right now. JT Miller or Scheifele would be very possible at reasonable AAVs (or maybe Giroux).

[GioforPM]

Everyone enjoying themselves now is aware that Eichel needs time and may be back to normal next season. But there were a bunch of people who claimed he’d be the elite C needed on the Flames THIS season. And that he’d make an immediate impact on the Knights.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Tyler Toffoli
last 14 games: 8g 5a 13pts

Alex Tuch
last 14 games: 1g 9a 10pts

Jack Eichel
last 14 games: 5g 4a 9pts

Last 14 games:

Vegas: 4-9-1

[blankall]

This is a huge issue. Vegas' window is not all that long. Marchessault, Pacioretty, Stone, and Karlsson are all 29-33. Losing a year is a major blow. Especially as their goaltending now looks very suspect. They could lose another 1-2 years trying to fill that gap.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Everyone enjoying themselves now is aware that Eichel needs time and may be back to normal next season. But there were a bunch of people who claimed he’d be the elite C needed on the Flames THIS season. And that he’d make an immediate impact on the Knights.

Yeah, I'm one of those people. I thought that Eichel would be a significant upgrade on Monahan, and/or last year's Tkachuk(who had reduced minutes under Sutter). Especially at the beginning of the season I had my doubts that Lindholm can turn into an elite 1 center, which I thought Eichel was/is going to get back to.

I'm really glad the first line has been the best line in the league this season, but I definitely didn't see that coming.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yeah, I'm one of those people. I thought that Eichel would be a significant upgrade on Monahan, and/or last year's Tkachuk(who had reduced minutes under Sutter). Especially at the beginning of the season I had my doubts that Lindholm can turn into an elite 1 center, which I thought Eichel was/is going to get back to.

I'm really glad the first line has been the best line in the league this season, but I definitely didn't see that coming.

Well, Eichel would be an upgrade on Monahan even now, but a $9M upgrade for 3C (or even 2C because of how the lines would shake out) isn’t really what the doctor ordered. And next year’s cap issues would be even worse.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

For sure, but all they needed was Stone on LTIR to be cap compliant.

They're $11 million over the cap. Stone is $9.5 million. They actually need Martinez off as well; the other guys, well, they're just injured.

I maintain that when you need your best forward to be out of the lineup so you can have cap room for a guy who's still recovering from major surgery, you have screwed something up.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, Eichel would be an upgrade on Monahan even now, but a $9M upgrade for 3C (or even 2C because of how the lines would shake out) isn’t really what the doctor ordered. And next year’s cap issues would be even worse.

Definitely, and with hindsight a trade for Eichel right now wouldn't make sense. In the offseason, it seemed that Gaudreau/Tkachuk would be cheaper. I thought Landeskog's $7M x 8 was a potential comparable for last year's Johnny. Now we're talking about $10M if not more. I'm just glad things worked out as well as they did with the players we have in place.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Everyone enjoying themselves now is aware that Eichel needs time and may be back to normal next season. But there were a bunch of people who claimed he’d be the elite C needed on the Flames THIS season. And that he’d make an immediate impact on the Knights.

That is true. Normal for Jack Eichel would be 70-80 points with limited defensive presence. He is still a top 10-20 center in the league if he can hit those metrics.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

For sure, but all they needed was Stone on LTIR to be cap compliant.

Don’t think it’s fair to say they need to be missing all of those guys to be cap compliant.

yeah just their best player plus another 1.5 or whatever

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by blankall

This is a huge issue. Vegas' window is not all that long. Marchessault, Pacioretty, Stone, and Karlsson are all 29-33. Losing a year is a major blow. Especially as their goaltending now looks very suspect. They could lose another 1-2 years trying to fill that gap.

This was their year. They're in a world of hurt come next season and will have to watch their depth disappear. Not only are they already over the cap for next season, with another 6-7 bodies to add to the mix, they are facing resigning eight RFAs. Add to that, they have some expensive guys with NMCs, so it is not going to be easy getting out of this mess. They have some good talent, but their depth is going to get crushed.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, absolutely bonkers to be making proclamations about how he has worked out on a new team this early on after nearly two seasons without hockey.

I think its pretty unlikely Eichel is a net gain over Tuch, Krebs, their 1st, and whoever else they have to cut to be cap compliant
Vegas next season doesn't really scare me.

Eichel himself is fine, he has played really well actually...going all in on every player available without a plan is going to backfire IMO. Already has, you just have to listen to their smug GM talk about the cap after they acquired Eichel. He came right out and said they would be using LTIR to make everything work. Well its not working.