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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bingo

you don't think respective coaches and their agent/handlers can see that the team hired a hockey president after they already had a GM and coach, and this is the final step to complete the new hierarchy?

This isn't Treliving and Burke mowing through coaches year after year.

It's a process coming to completion.

From the Flames management perspective, it may be a process coming to completion, but for an up and coming coach or a successful veteran coach, it is far from an ideal situation to step into. I am sure a lot of one-and-done coaches were sold the same bill of goods with various teams in the past. The Flames don't have their pick of the litter here and will likely have to settle. Hopefully we can find a diamond among the junk heap somewhere, but it looks like most of the desirable candidates are signing on elsewhere.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

From the Flames management perspective, it may be a process coming to completion, but for an up and coming coach or a successful veteran coach, it is far from an ideal situation to step into. I am sure a lot of one-and-done coaches were sold the same bill of goods with various teams in the past. The Flames don't have their pick of the litter here and will likely have to settle. Hopefully we can find a diamond among the junk heap somewhere, but it looks like most of the desirable candidates are signing on elsewhere.

These jobs don't grow on trees, there are 30 of them, and at the moment two openings.

If a young coach sees it your way he may never get a job.

Strong hockey market ... check
Reputable hockey ops ... check
Young core with talent ... check

Nope ... I think the Flames and not the candidates are doing the choosing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It can't help that we fired Hartley just one season after winning the Jack Adams and guiding an underdog team in the early stages of a rebuilding to the conference semi-finals. It gives the optics that there is no room for error and that the Flames management is tough to please.

If you are a young up and coming coach, it's not an ideal situation to step into as failure could mean a short NHL career. And proven veteran coaches have better options.

I think we need to accept that this team is going to have to turn over a lot of rocks and won't have first pick. When Hartley was let go, I thought there was no way that Burkliving would do that without having someone lined up, but now I have to wonder.

Ottawa goes through coaches just as fast or faster and they didn't have any issues filling their coaching roles. It's simply a supply and demand thing where there's only 30 jobs and plenty of coaches that want to be head coaches. Also coaches and agents are all aware of that the NHL is a results based business and they all know once they are hired the clock starts ticking. Outside of Boudreau I can't think of one desirable coach on the market that the Flames have missed out on.

[Poe969]

edit...wow missed a whole page....

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Originally Posted by Poe969

SportsCentre ‏@SportsCentre 2m2 minutes ago
Wild hire Scott Stevens as assistant coach under Bruce Boudreau http://www.tsn.ca/1.502984 #TSNHockey

wow, wild hire Scott Stevens...always thought he'd be a good defensive coach

Get sureloss'd

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

am curious, is it important that the coaching decision be made prior to the draft? Or is their input not critical enough for draft day decisions to prioritize a coaching hire in time?

FWIW Buke said on prime time sports that on his teams, coaches have little to no input at the draft.

He said that the coaches don't get a large enough sample size of watching prospects to make accurate assessments on prospects.

He also said Treliving would probably like to get a coach hired before the draft but it wasn't an operative date for them.

He hinted that they could go to start of training camp without a coach if it meant finding the right person for the job.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=sureLoss;5781351]

He hinted that they could go to start of training camp without a coach if it meant finding the right person for the job.[/QUOTE

Maybe they are waiting for Obama to finish out his term?

[metroneck]

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

He hinted that they could go to start of training camp without a coach if it meant finding the right person for the job.[/QUOTE

Maybe they are waiting for Obama to finish out his term?

Burke being Burke.

[canflip_101]

any updates on the hunt for the next head coach?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by canflip_101

any updates on the hunt for the next head coach?

Lol. Look up.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bingo

These jobs don't grow on trees, there are 30 of them, and at the moment two openings.

If a young coach sees it your way he may never get a job.

Strong hockey market ... check
Reputable hockey ops ... check
Young core with talent ... check

Nope ... I think the Flames and not the candidates are doing the choosing.

And yet a lot of head coaching candidates choose to go back to being assistants in the NHL or head coaches in other leagues before selecting more stable opportunities. Being a one-and-done coach is a career killer and this team doesn't have the best reputation in that respect. Maybe not the worst, but not good enough to lure the best candidates IMO.

I just hope it is not Carlyle. I can not recall the last time players so openly hated playing for a coach. Guys like Ryan, MacArthur, Gabrovski among others openly loathed him.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And yet a lot of head coaching candidates choose to go back to being assistants in the NHL or head coaches in other leagues before selecting more stable opportunities.

Please name an example and not Kirk Muller because he went straight from one assistant job to another and was never interviewed or requested to be interviewed by the Flames or Ducks to anyone's knowledge.

You aren't really hiding the fact that you are simply angry at Treliving and making up stuff to support that.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Please name an example and not Kirk Muller because he went straight from one assistant job to another and was never interviewed or requested to be interviewed by the Flames or Ducks to anyone's knowledge.

You aren't really hiding the fact that you are simply angry at Treliving and making up stuff to support that.

I'll give him Marc Crawford, but I agree, no point in getting a coach very quickly, without evidence of success and learning.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Please name an example and not Kirk Muller because he went straight from one assistant job to another and was never interviewed or requested to be interviewed by the Flames or Ducks to anyone's knowledge.

You aren't really hiding the fact that you are simply angry at Treliving and making up stuff to support that.

No one knows who is and isn't interviewed for positions (or who even wants to be considered). I am sure Muller could have had interviews if he put his name in for any of those positions though. For all we know, he was approached and said no.

I'm not just talking about this season. Almost every season, there is an assistant coach, or an AHL coach, or a junior coach; that is rumoured to be on the short list for NHL head coach vacancies, but they return to a more stable role instead of taking the first NHL head coach position that comes along. No one wants to be the next Eakins, Krueger, Hay, Playfair or Gilbert. It's better to wait and select a good opportunity than jump into a pressure cooker.

And why would I be mad at Treliving? I have no opinion on him at all really. I just don't buy that the Flames are in a position of strength when it comes to selecting a coach.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No one knows who is and isn't interviewed for positions (or who even wants to be considered). I am sure Muller could have had interviews if he put his name in for any of those positions though. For all we know, he was a approached and said no.

I'm not just talking about this season. Almost every season, there is an assistant coach, or an AHL coach, or a junior coach; that is rumoured to be on the short list for NHL head coach vacancies, but they return to a more stable roll instead of taking the first NHL head coach position that comes along. No one wants to be the next Eakins, Krueger, Hay, Playfair or Gilbert. It's better to wait and select a good opportunity that jump into a pressure cooker.

And why would I be mad at Treliving? I have no opinion on him at all really. I just don't buy that the Flames are in a position of strength when it comes to selecting a coach.

Unless you think there are zero quality candidates, the Flames are firmly in the driver's seat. There's only one choice and I'm sure many, many people would be interested if interviewed. I personally think there are lots of potential good coaches out there and all great coaches started out as unknowns at some point. It's just a matter of finding that guy who is the right fit, and I firmly believe that BT will find that guy. Half of being successful like a Boudreau comes down to opportunity. He went to Washington and then Anaheim, both of which were a boon for his career. He's probably not nearly as highly regarded if he starts out with Edmonton or, well, Calgary.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And why would I be mad at Treliving? I have no opinion on him at all really. I just don't buy that the Flames are in a position of strength when it comes to selecting a coach.

Last time I will reply to you regarding this topic as I feel you have jumped into the Ricardo Twilight Zone but make no mistake, the Flames are in the driver's seat here and are picking and choosing from all the bright coaching minds available. The Flames head coach job is one of the best head coach opportunities the league has seen in some time. Great fan base, stable ownership that's willing to spend money, one of the deepest blue lines in the league, and some budding star forwards.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Unless you think there are zero quality candidates, the Flames are firmly in the driver's seat. There's only one choice and I'm sure many, many people would be interested if interviewed. I personally think there are lots of potential good coaches out there and all great coaches started out as unknowns at some point. It's just a matter of finding that guy who is the right fit, and I firmly believe that BT will find that guy. Half of being successful like a Boudreau comes down to opportunity. He went to Washington and then Anaheim, both of which were a boon for his career. He's probably not nearly as highly regarded if he starts out with Edmonton or, well, Calgary.

That last part is exactly my point. The best tend to lure the best. If Boudreau started in Calgary or Edmonton, would he even be coaching in the NHL anymore? This is an industry where your first job sets the tone for your career. These guys are in their prime earning years, so if you are a sought after assistant, why jump to the first openings instead of waiting for the best opportunity?

For example, if you are a guy like John Stevens, do you ask the Kings for permission to talk to teams like Calgary for the head coach position, or do you continue biding your time to take over a more stable situation? That first job as an NHL coach will make or break your career. Not too many come back from a first time failure, whether it was their fault or not.

The Flames finishing 26th this past season is a bad enough omen in itself to keep the best first time NHL head coach candidates away. The fact we fired a coach one season removed from a Jack Adams caliber season can't help the optics either. Yeah, there are some positive ticks on the checklist for the Flames. I am not saying it is all doom and gloom. I just don't buy that any new coach with long term ambition sees the team as the Cadillac that others do. Not to mention, everyone knows that goaltending was our biggest issue last season and that problem hasn't been corrected. Until that is corrected, the prognosis for the future can't be great. If I am a potential new head coach, I would prefer to see how that situation shakes out first.

[FlamesAddiction]

Anyway, speaking of one-and-done NHL head coaches, has John Anderson's name been in the mix at all?

I felt he did pretty good with a lousy Thrashers team, and he does have the Phoenix connection as an assistant (not sure if it overlapped with Treliving though). Plus, he has been in a pretty successful Chicago Wolves organization.

He is probably a guy that deserves a 2nd chance IMO.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Last time I will reply to you regarding this topic as I feel you have jumped into the Ricardo Twilight Zone but make no mistake, the Flames are in the driver's seat here and are picking and choosing from all the bright coaching minds available. The Flames head coach job is one of the best head coach opportunities the league has seen in some time. Great fan base, stable ownership that's willing to spend money, one of the deepest blue lines in the league, and some budding star forwards.

If it's Randy Carlyle will you flip out?

I think it will be.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Anyway, speaking of one-and-done NHL head coaches, has John Anderson's name been in the mix at all?

I felt he did pretty good with a lousy Thrashers team, and he does have the Phoenix connection as an assistant (not sure if it overlapped with Treliving though). Plus, he has been in a pretty successful Chicago Wolves organization.

He is probably a guy that deserves a 2nd chance IMO.

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
#mnwild names John Anderson as another assistant coach under Bruce Boudreau. He was head coach of AHL Chicago Wolves the last three years.