Jian Ghomeshi no longer with CBC

[peter12]

Third witness gave her story. Will be cross-examined at 12:15 MST.

[undercoverbrother]

I find these trials hard to follow.


It often seems the witness or victim are on trial.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I started dating a bird who was into a bit of rough trade, if you will, she bit my lip hard during kiss on the first date, hard enough to draw blood, not my scene and I bowed out a few dates later, I have no doubt there are smaller 'exploratory' moves made by anyone into this kind of thing.

I obtained British Citizenship just from reading the first phrase.

[Kjesse]

Finally, by the third witness they start to get their act together. She probably shouldn't have been following the news of the case nor sitting in the courtroom, but she provides an account which includes her wanting to date Ghomeshi after he did some odd things to her...

So instead of news articles, we now have sworn testimony from three witnesses showing that Ghomeshi likes to choke and hit women on the first date. And in each case these ladies wanted to continue contact, and in the case of the last witness she stood up for herself as opposed to being discarded, left his car and told him to stay away from her. A powerful witness for sure, the cross will be interesting.

This trial says a lot about human nature and power of celebrity.

[peter12]

The power of shame that women face in public circumstances even slightly involving their sexuality. Absolutely disgusting.

[troutman]

When Your Friend Is On the Stand at the Ghomeshi Trial

http://canadalandshow.com/article/wh...ghomeshi-trial

[woob]

Looks like the third witness's story is starting to unravel.

[troutman]

There are some disgusting MRAs in the twitter feed.

[woob]

Originally Posted by troutman

There are some disgusting MRAs in the twitter feed.

I'm just keeping to a few twitter users who are live tweeting the trial so I don't have to read all the other garbage on the #Ghomeshi feed.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by woob

Looks like the third witness's story is starting to unravel.

Ah... I don't know. Guess it all depends on what the judge thinks about these after incident actions. Doesn't really seem to be any defense about the incidents or getting consent before hand.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Ah... I don't know. Guess it all depends on what the judge thinks about these after incident actions. Doesn't really seem to be any defense about the incidents or getting consent before hand.

Yes. The defense thus far doesn't seem to have actually tried to prove their was initial consent instead trying to use after incident actions as proof consent occurred. It shouldn't take much of an expert on the other side to say that such behavior isn't unusual when the offender is known to the victim.

[peter12]

These are all ugly little games being played. The fact that the witnesses shared a lot of info before-hand, and that she mislead police during her initial statement appear to be very bad news.

[peter12]

Crown is calling in an additional witness. Will not be able to join court until Wednesday.

[woob]

So am I correct in seeing that defense was also playing in a collusion between witnesses angle with this last witness? If the judge sees that too, what effect will that have on outcome? I can't imagine it to be a good one.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by woob

So am I correct in seeing that defense was also playing in a collusion between witnesses angle with this last witness? If the judge sees that too, what effect will that have on outcome? I can't imagine it to be a good one.

Probably pretty bad. DeCoutere really, really screwed a lot of things up for the prosecution.

[troutman]

I can't predict what the Judge will do. I don't doubt the assaults happened, but will the Judge?

Will he be struck by the similar facts of the separate allegations? Will he think there was a reasonable inference of consent, or that the witnesses lied about the assaults?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by troutman

I can't predict what the Judge will do. I don't doubt the assaults happened, but will the Judge?

Will he be struck by the similar facts of the separate allegations? Will he think there was a reasonable inference of consent, or that the witnesses lied about the assaults?

Can Gomeshi take that risk? Doesn't he need to take the stand and describe the events that occurred and how consent was obtained? Otherwise your taking a big risk in saying there is reasonable doubt that acts themselves occurred.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

As a defendant, taking the stand is often a much bigger risk.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by troutman

I can't predict what the Judge will do. I don't doubt the assaults happened, but will the Judge?

Will he be struck by the similar facts of the separate allegations? Will he think there was a reasonable inference of consent, or that the witnesses lied about the assaults?

The issue isn't whether the "assaults" happened. We know they did. The issue right now is whether it actually was a physical or sexual assault or if it was consensual sex that just happens to be a lot rougher than what others enjoy.

That these women desperately wanted to come back for more is the biggest issue.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I can't imagine Ghomeshi will take the stand either.