2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Fine. But you were saying that it isn't worth fixing Huberdeau, period.



That wasn't my question, so you didn't answer it. I wasn't the one talking about trading Andersson, and I think it would be idiotic to acquire Nylander. But I do think there are steps that can be taken to turn Huberdeau into a tradable asset.

No I was saying it wasn’t worth it to fix Hubredeau at the cost of the Nylander-Andersson deal.

[stemit14]

Hold strong Conroy. Teams will step up and pay the price. He has the opportunity to set the market. Take back salary dumps and retain salary to maximize returns. Prioritize draft picks as the returns.

If Conroy can come out of this season with at least 2 first round picks and 3 second round picks in exchange for trading trading Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, and Tanev… I would consider that a decent return if none of them come with a contract extension. Would be great to get some top prospects too but those are always harder to pull from teams.

If Andersson is being traded, I would hope for a large return. There is no pressure to trade him at this point so the return needs to be an over-pay. 1st round pick + top prospect at the very least.


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[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Spurs

No I was saying it wasn’t worth it to fix Hubredeau at the cost of the Nylander-Andersson deal.

OK, I can buy that.

[bluejays]

Anybody new brought in at minimum has to be a better skater than average. Look at the identity of Seattle and tell me that model doesn’t work. Speed kills, and this identity of a hard working grinding team, is outdated and nonsense. Get me guys who can move the puck and skate, and this rebuild will move fast. If they keep looking at bringing in scorers like Huberdeau or Kadri, they’re going to keep falling into the same mediocrity issue.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Anybody new brought in at minimum has to be a better skater than average. Look at the identity of Seattle and tell me that model doesn’t work. Speed kills, and this identity of a hard working grinding team, is outdated and nonsense. Get me guys who can move the puck and skate, and this rebuild will move fast. If they keep looking at bringing in scorers like Huberdeau or Kadri, they’re going to keep falling into the same mediocrity issue.

I love the way they built Seattle. They are full of utility guys who are fast and work hard, supported by a big defense. Seriously, if I was a new fan just getting into the NHL with no home team to root for, I'd probably make them my team. Too late me though.

[bluejays]

We all mocked Seattles draft but they really were onto something. Rolling four lines who can skate and move the puck, combined with a defence who were mobile enough but defensively responsible, was a good move. Certainly they could’ve asset managed better by taking guys like Tarasenko and dealing them for their needs, but overall they had a great philosophy. Rolling four lines who can skate really does wear down teams. Even Vegas does that at their core. Where we started to go wrong was bringing in a guy here and there who didn’t fit that thinking, ahh, he’s a grinder, we can use him for intimidation. But that takes away the ability to roll four lines and the team is built around situations rather than an overall identity of where the league is going. The team as is would require a turnover of almost everyone. The defence was built generally well though.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Anybody new brought in at minimum has to be a better skater than average. Look at the identity of Seattle and tell me that model doesn’t work. Speed kills, and this identity of a hard working grinding team, is outdated and nonsense. Get me guys who can move the puck and skate, and this rebuild will move fast. If they keep looking at bringing in scorers like Huberdeau or Kadri, they’re going to keep falling into the same mediocrity issue.

Agreed. I’ll be excited to be a younger, faster team above all else. Some of the biggest mistakes that Treliving made (that I hope Conroy learned from) were having players that were over-paid for the “intangibles”. Brouwer, Coleman, Neal, Kadri… all guys that supposedly had that x-factor that made them a handful for other teams to deal with. Guys that came off of great performances in playoffs but were let downs once they got their last big contract.

We would hear the same thing with each of these player when their first season with the flames was rough… “Well, they were probably still tired and banged up from their playoff run the previous year - but next year they’ll be great”.

Without fail, every off-season, Treliving just had to get that veteran guy who over-performed for their team in the playoffs. No matter the cost. And without fail, none of those guys ever lived up to that paycheque.

Feels like guys like that need to be developed within the system rather than bought by the highest bidder. Ferland is a perfect example. I think guys like Klapka and Duehr could be that for the flames if given opportunity.


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[butterfly]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Agreed. I’ll be excited to be a younger, faster team above all else. Some of the biggest mistakes that Treliving made (that I hope Conroy learned from) were having players that were over-paid for the “intangibles”. Brouwer, Coleman, Neal, Kadri… all guys that supposedly had that x-factor that made them a handful for other teams to deal with. Guys that came off of great performances in playoffs but were let downs once they got their last big contract.

We would hear the same thing with each of these player when their first season with the flames was rough… “Well, they were probably still tired and banged up from their playoff run the previous year - but next year they’ll be great”.

Without fail, every off-season, Treliving just had to get that veteran guy who over-performed for their team in the playoffs. No matter the cost. And without fail, none of those guys ever lived up to that paycheque.

Feels like guys like that need to be developed within the system rather than bought by the highest bidder. Ferland is a perfect example. I think guys like Klapka and Duehr could be that for the flames if given opportunity.


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Wonder where Zadorov learned that this tactic works?

[Geeoff]

I believe we may have a short window here to get a decent return for Markstrom/taking back someone else's ####ty goalie contract

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I believe we may have a short window here to get a decent return for Markstrom/taking back someone else's ####ty goalie contract

Ideally they do not have to take back another goalie unless it is a third string AHL type goalie. NJ makes a really good trade partner for Markstrom in my opinion.

Zero chance I would take back a deal like Campbell unless 3 1st rounders were on the table.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ideally they do not have to take back another goalie unless it is a third string AHL type goalie. NJ makes a really good trade partner for Markstrom in my opinion.

Zero chance I would take back a deal like Campbell unless 3 1st rounders were on the table.

Do the Oilers even have any good prospects to offer? Doesn't seem like a good trading partner, unless we could get 1sts that are unprotected in years after McDrai skip town. Also, the Oilers are providing delicious shadenfreude right now, so they can stay ####ed lol.

That being said, Markstrom has a big contract, so salary would have to be coming back in any trade. If the Flames are actually gonna rebuild, it makes sense to weaponize the fact that ownership is willing to spend to the cap and get some extra assets for taking on ugly deals.

[Braden]

I hate the idea of losing Andersson but honestly unless this team is on a serious upswing in 2 years time ( which is possible but doubtful) I dont see him resigning, guys like him want to win. May aswell sell now and get a head start developing those assets we would get in 2 years time anyways.

I can only imagine the regret Backlund is feeling, I wonder if a situation like this was discussed when he signed. Obviously the feel was this season was to be better then the last, yet turns out he agreed to go down on a sinking ship.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Do the Oilers even have any good prospects to offer? Doesn't seem like a good trading partner, unless we could get 1sts that are unprotected in years after McDrai skip town. Also, the Oilers are providing delicious shadenfreude right now, so they can stay ####ed lol.

That being said, Markstrom has a big contract, so salary would have to be coming back in any trade. If the Flames are actually gonna rebuild, it makes sense to weaponize the fact that ownership is willing to spend to the cap and get some extra assets for taking on ugly deals.

I would rather take a Dman back considering the team only has 2 guys signed for next season and likely are trading 3 guys this year.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1724827180297773145

[Vinny01]

Hilarious the Leafs think they can get both Tanev and Zadorov while having the Flames take back Klingberg and eat money on Tanev/Zadorov.

Minton+Liljegren+Brodie is an alright start but another team needs to eat some money or the leafs need to kick in some picks if they want the flames to (I still think 2 slots need to remain open for Lindholm and Hanifin trades)

[TheIronMaiden]

We will take 1st and 2nd rounders and players from the 2022 and 2023 draft.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hilarious the Leafs think they can get both Tanev and Zadorov while having the Flames take back Klingberg and eat money on Tanev/Zadorov.

Minton+Liljegren+Brodie is an alright start but another team needs to eat some money or the leafs need to kick in some picks if they want the flames to (I still think 2 slots need to remain open for Lindholm and Hanifin trades)

Taking Klingberg is no big deal - Flames would have room and if it makes a deal work then fine. Hell, so is retaining on expiring contracts. But that's the extent of it. It's all about the return. And the Leafs just don't have a lot of assets to provide.

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hilarious the Leafs think they can get both Tanev and Zadorov while having the Flames take back Klingberg and eat money on Tanev/Zadorov.

Minton+Liljegren+Brodie is an alright start but another team needs to eat some money or the leafs need to kick in some picks if they want the flames to (I still think 2 slots need to remain open for Lindholm and Hanifin trades)

I really like that Minten kid. A cerebral 6'2 center is exactly the type of player the Flames should be targeting.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Taking Klingberg is no big deal - Flames would have room and if it makes a deal work then fine. Hell, so is retaining on expiring contracts. But that's the extent of it. It's all about the return. And the Leafs just don't have a lot of assets to provide.

It just comes down to value. The flames needed to pay a 5th to get the Habs to take Pitlick back in the Toffoli trade. If the Flames take Klingberg back the Leafs need another asset.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hilarious the Leafs think they can get both Tanev and Zadorov while having the Flames take back Klingberg and eat money on Tanev/Zadorov.

Minton+Liljegren+Brodie is an alright start but another team needs to eat some money or the leafs need to kick in some picks if they want the flames to (I still think 2 slots need to remain open for Lindholm and Hanifin trades)

This is a return for Zadarov or Tanev with retained, no chance of both