2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Ryan had the 8th most PP minutes of any Hurricane player, and the 7th most of all the forwards.

He may have spent some time on the #1 unit, but not very much.

He also won't command anywhere near a $4.5 million contract, and probably not more than 2 years.

He's also 56.1% in the face off dot in his career so far. Not a small sample size either. Last season he took the 2nd highest amount of draws for the Hurricanes with 940, behind only Staal.

He would be an excellent depth add IMO.

Peters was talking about face-offs a lot in his media interviews. I can also see him wanting a guy who is very familiar with his system to come in and help the transition. However it might not be that big a need since it seems the two styles are seemingly similar.

So it's going to be who CGY already has that is strong (strong enough in Peters' estimation) on draws.

While Monahan was playing hurt he was losing a lot of PP draws. How good is Backlund in the dot?

I could definitely see them bring in a face off specialist based on what Peters was saying to the media.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Tre has had a very clear internal cap on how much he will pay any one player, he has been very good at signing players to deals that don't exceed $7M

My 40% was a number off the top of my head assuming that tkachuk likely goes above $6.75M per year on his next deal and closer to $8M

I agree that $11 is likely where Tavares gets paid.

He might have an internal cap but that could and should easily change when an elite talent in his prime at a key position surprisingly becomes available with no trade acquisition cost.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Peters was talking about face-offs a lot in his media interviews. I can also see him wanting a guy who is very familiar with his system to come in and help the transition. However it might not be that big a need since it seems the two styles are seemingly similar.

So it's going to be who CGY already has that is strong (strong enough in Peters' estimation) on draws.

While Monahan was playing hurt he was losing a lot of PP draws. How good is Backlund in the dot?

I could definitely see them bring in a face off specialist based on what Peters was saying to the media.

Backlund loses more than he wins and a guy like Ryan could be put out with Backs and Fro on key Dzone draws and then revert to the wing win or lose or go to the bench for a sub after winning the draw as the team moves up ice with possession.

[YourMother]

Let's just play pretend for a bit. Say Tre makes a huge bid for Johnny T, and is willing to pay him 11.5m+. What kind of package will it look like?

Brodie, Bennett, 2019 first(friggin protected this time), and Adam Fox? Does that come close to getting it done?

Are we willing to Trade Dougie in a package? I would hate to lose such a young stud dman, but I'd be willing to for an elite player like Tavares.

What do we think?

EDIT: This is obviously assuming its a sign and trade by the Isles.

[ComixZone]

I'd love to see Tavares sign here. That's the dream...and we don't exactly have a history of "winning" on July 1st, so it's hard to imagine that happening now (...is Tavares going to the world championships? C'mon Bill! Convince him!)...barring that absolute dream coming true, I'm hoping we see two things this summer:

1. Big trade at the draft involving a defenceman going out and a forward coming in

and

2. Evander Kane is signed on July 1st

I don't want anyone else in free agency. Kane is a top 6 forward, top line forward, entering his prime years. Sign high-end players during free agency - because then at least you're overpaying a good player. No more signing depth players in free agency. They always get overpaid and end up being utterly useless at some point during the contract. If you sign top talent, you get overpaid top talent...but at least you still got top talent.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by YourMother

Let's just play pretend for a bit. Say Tre makes a huge bid for Johnny T, and is willing to pay him 11.5m+. What kind of package will it look like?

Brodie, Bennett, 2019 first(friggin protected this time), and Adam Fox? Does that come close to getting it done?

Are we willing to Trade Dougie in a package? I would hate to lose such a young stud dman, but I'd be willing to for an elite player like Tavares.

What do we think?

Trade Hamilton for Tavares' rights? No. Hard no.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by YourMother

Let's just play pretend for a bit. Say Tre makes a huge bid for Johnny T, and is willing to pay him 11.5m+. What kind of package will it look like?

Brodie, Bennett, 2019 first(friggin protected this time), and Adam Fox? Does that come close to getting it done?

Are we willing to Trade Dougie in a package? I would hate to lose such a young stud dman, but I'd be willing to for an elite player like Tavares.

What do we think?

He is UFA.

[YourMother]

Originally Posted by Weitz

He is UFA.

Yes, but you know without a doubt the Isles will attempt a sign and trade. Lose your franchise player for nothing? Or get a kings ransom for him?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by YourMother

Let's just play pretend for a bit. Say Tre makes a huge bid for Johnny T, and is willing to pay him 11.5m+. What kind of package will it look like?

Brodie, Bennett, 2019 first(friggin protected this time), and Adam Fox? Does that come close to getting it done?

Are we willing to Trade Dougie in a package? I would hate to lose such a young stud dman, but I'd be willing to for an elite player like Tavares.

What do we think?

He's a pending UFA. You give up nothing for him.

At most, you might give the Islanders a draft pick for the chance to talk to him early (like the Flames did with Bouwmeester and Wideman). With the discussion period prior to July 1, even those types of deals don't happen that much anymore (and they were never really that common).

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by YourMother

Yes, but you know without a doubt the Isles will attempt a sign and trade. Lose your franchise player for nothing? Or get a kings ransom for him?

He's either signing and staying or leaving. There won't be a sign and trade. You can be assured his contract will have a full NMC.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by getbak

He's a pending UFA. You give up nothing for him.

At most, you might give the Islanders a draft pick for the chance to talk to him early (like the Flames did with Bouwmeester and Wideman). With the discussion period prior to July 1, even those types of deals don't happen that much anymore (and they were never really that common).

Yeah, really no need anymore with the courting period they allow now.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by YourMother

Yes, but you know without a doubt the Isles will attempt a sign and trade. Lose your franchise player for nothing? Or get a kings ransom for him?

They can attempt it but why on earth would JT do that? He's just weakening the team he's signing with long term and hoping to win with.

[flameester]

How do you know Brodie would accept any of these trades?

He has a modified No trade clause that kicked in last year.

He has an 8 team list where he can't be traded.

I think and hope he will be closer to the player he was 3 yrs ago under a new coach and I would want to keep him.

If only I had a crystal ball.

[sureLoss]

The only reason Tavares would agree to a sign and trade is if he wants a 8 year term with the new team. Only the Islanders can sign him to a 8 year term.

As others have mentioned, it weakens his new team, so he might not do it unless the cost is cheap.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by YourMother

Let's just play pretend for a bit. Say Tre makes a huge bid for Johnny T, and is willing to pay him 11.5m+. What kind of package will it look like?

Brodie, Bennett, 2019 first(friggin protected this time), and Adam Fox? Does that come close to getting it done?

Are we willing to Trade Dougie in a package? I would hate to lose such a young stud dman, but I'd be willing to for an elite player like Tavares.

What do we think?

EDIT: This is obviously assuming its a sign and trade by the Isles.

Is this post for real?

Trade an insanity package for negotiating rights?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The only reason Tavares would agree to a sign and trade is if he wants a 8 year term with the new team. Only the Islanders can sign him to a 8 year term.

As others have mentioned, it weakens his new team, so he might not do it unless the cost is cheap.

They won’t be getting offers of a top 4 D, 22 year old winger thst was a top 4 pick, a top prospect, and a 1st if they do a sign and trade

[R2theJ]

I honestly think we are more likely to see a Dougie Hamilton trade than a Brodie trade... Brodie's value is at its lowest, Dougie's is much higher. I could see Tre making a deal with the Coyotes
To Arizona:
Dougie Hamilton
Adam Fox (rights)
Michael Ferland
Parts - Shinkaruk, or Mangiapane, or Poirier, or
Klimchuk

To Calgary:
OEL
Max Domi
2018 2nd

Brodie back with Gio
OEL with Hamonic
Valimaki and Anderson fight for #6 spot beside Stone

Gaudreau with Monahan and Bennett
Domi takes spot on line with Tkachuk and Janko
Frolik with Backlund and Brouwer

[getoverit]

If that is what u are proposing giving up Dougie and gang we better get back more then OEL and Domi and a lousy second. Just sayin

Originally Posted by R2theJ

I honestly think we are more likely to see a Dougie Hamilton trade than a Brodie trade... Brodie's value is at its lowest, Dougie's is much higher. I could see Tre making a deal with the Coyotes
To Arizona:
Dougie Hamilton
Adam Fox (rights)
Michael Ferland
Parts - Shinkaruk, or Mangiapane, or Poirier, or
Klimchuk

To Calgary:
OEL
Max Domi
2018 2nd

Brodie back with Gio
OEL with Hamonic
Valimaki and Anderson fight for #6 spot beside Stone

Gaudreau with Monahan and Bennett
Domi takes spot on line with Tkachuk and Janko
Frolik with Backlund and Brouwer

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by getoverit

If that is what u are proposing giving up Dougie and gang we better get back more then OEL and Domi and a lousy second. Just sayin

Exactly, trading Dougie alone, we better be getting back a first round without lottery protection. And I don't get why are people so high on Domi?

[Monahammer]

Yeah the people who want to trade Dougie are totally clueless IMO. We have literally no one capable of replacing what he brings, to start. Add to that that the same people throw a clear 1st pairing 25 year old Dman into garbage deals for older players and throw ins.. it's pretty infuriating to read.

Of course brodie won't fetch as much, he's not half the player that Dougie is at this point. But we also have 3 or 4 players that could easily fill Brodie's spot and he's still worth enough to be a significant piece in a forward trade.

You don't get better by creating a hole to fill one. You improve by moving pieces that you can replace internally. Regardless of Brodie's current trade value relative to a totally made up idea of trade value he used to have, he is definitely replaceable in this lineup. That is why he will be traded.