Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And the peak was more like a foothill.

Or the top of a septic field.

[Faust]

Kevin Nimmock

UCP Leader Danielle Smith:

"People have been asking me all kinds of questions over whether past things I've mused about over 27 years impact the kind of decisions I'll make today, and I've been able to say 'no.'"

https://twitter.com/kevinnimmock/sta...578925569?s=21


Naheed Nenshi
So her newest argument is that nothing she has ever said or believed is fair game and none of it has any influence on who she is or what decisions she makes. Isn’t that … worse? Like she has no intellectual or ethical core and will say or do anything?

https://twitter.com/nenshi/status/16...546846208?s=21



Ken Boessenkool

So we’re at the “I’m an empty shell” stage?

Not a single person, including @ABDanielleSmith, believes this.

https://twitter.com/kenboessenkool/s...912747008?s=21

[Faust]

Courtney Theriault

Here is the longer clip from Danielle Smith from last Sept 19th, in which she suggests police officers could be charged for arresting pastors, says pastors were kept in solitary confinement for weeks, and the military- not doctors- should lead next pandemic. #yeg #yyc #ableg

https://twitter.com/cspotweet/status...862268930?s=21


Duane Bratt

Smith is speaking with Vince Byfield. A key Take Back Alberta official who is now on the UCP board. This is two weeks before Smith's leadership win.

https://twitter.com/duanebratt/statu...318775808?s=21


Duane Bratt

It needs to be repeated that the vast vast majority of churches followed public health orders. Only a handful were shut down and arrested not because they were Christian, but because they flagrantly violated public heath orders putting the larger society at risk.

https://twitter.com/duanebratt/statu...390157824?s=21


Duane Bratt

I guess Hinshaw should be happy that Smith just fired her, instead of having her arrested for recommending public health orders to the Kenney govt.

https://twitter.com/duanebratt/statu...732235264?s=21


Martin Z. Olszynski

It also needs to be repeated that Danielle Smith has dangerously bad instincts — she is advocating for political interference in regulatory & criminal enforcement (“we must never give the police such wide latitude…”). This was never merely about pardons; she covets that control.


https://twitter.com/molszyns/status/...571924992?s=21

[Fuzz]

She's clearly woefully unqualified. Anyone even considering staying home instead of voting for the NDP to block this is just fooling themselves into thinking they then won't be responsible for the disaster that follows. There really is only one sane choice this election.

[TheIronMaiden]

Gotta laugh at people talking about the ANDP's hidden agenda? what even is it? is it so hidden we will never know until 60 years pass?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Mainstreet has a daily tracker now.

https://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/do...h-2023-public/

Since the May 8 numbers Mainstreet is showing some narrowing, with the UCP leading 46-41 (round numbers) with undecided voters included and 49-44 when undecided voters are removed. Undecided voters are 9%—still pretty high but I think (haven’t checked) lower than in the Abacus survey.

I saw a tweet a while ago from Maggi saying that the topline is “misleading” and he doesn’t think the UCP is winning. Frankly, I don’t understand that at all—to me winning by 5% provincially is definitely enough for the UCP. And if he is implying the cross tabs have some alarming data for the UCP I sure can’t tell what that is.

For one thing, I can’t tell how the regional breakdown looks because the formatting is super wonky. But looking at other indicators—like net favourable ratings for the two candidates, I feel like Mainstreet must be modelling a very different electorate than Abacus.

All of which kind of makes me hope a third pollster weighs in soon. But again, these results by themselves are consistent with a close race, where you expect to see surveys showing both parties in the lead from time to time.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Mainstreet has a daily tracker now.

https://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/do...h-2023-public/

Since the May 8 numbers Mainstreet is showing some narrowing, with the UCP leading 46-41 (round numbers) with undecided voters included and 49-44 when undecided voters are removed. Undecided voters are 9%—still pretty high but I think (haven’t checked) lower than in the Abacus survey.

I saw a tweet a while ago from Maggi saying that the topline is “misleading” and he doesn’t think the UCP is winning. Frankly, I don’t understand that at all—to me winning by 5% provincially is definitely enough for the UCP. And if he is implying the cross tabs have some alarming data for the UCP I sure can’t tell what that is.

For one thing, I can’t tell how the regional breakdown looks because the formatting is super wonky. But looking at other indicators—like net favourable ratings for the two candidates, I feel like Mainstreet must be modelling a very different electorate than Abacus.

All of which kind of makes me hope a third pollster weighs in soon. But again, these results by themselves are consistent with a close race, where you expect to see surveys showing both parties in the lead from time to time.

It feels like there have been surprisingly few polls released for mid-way through a campaign.

[Ozy_Flame]

Nothing matters until Janet Brown does a poll. Hers is the pinnacle of Alberta election polling.

[timun]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Gotta laugh at people talking about the ANDP's hidden agenda? what even is it? is it so hidden we will never know until 60 years pass?

Ask Matata, I'm sure he knows.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Mainstreet has a daily tracker now.

https://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/do...h-2023-public/

Since the May 8 numbers Mainstreet is showing some narrowing, with the UCP leading 46-41 (round numbers) with undecided voters included and 49-44 when undecided voters are removed. Undecided voters are 9%—still pretty high but I think (haven’t checked) lower than in the Abacus survey.

I saw a tweet a while ago from Maggi saying that the topline is “misleading” and he doesn’t think the UCP is winning. Frankly, I don’t understand that at all—to me winning by 5% provincially is definitely enough for the UCP. And if he is implying the cross tabs have some alarming data for the UCP I sure can’t tell what that is.

For one thing, I can’t tell how the regional breakdown looks because the formatting is super wonky. But looking at other indicators—like net favourable ratings for the two candidates, I feel like Mainstreet must be modelling a very different electorate than Abacus.

All of which kind of makes me hope a third pollster weighs in soon. But again, these results by themselves are consistent with a close race, where you expect to see surveys showing both parties in the lead from time to time.

The data is so poorly presented it's nearly impossible to figure out what is going on. The "broken out by" tables are mostly meaningless, only a few seem to actually have a relevant heading. How is this so bad?

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

On one hand, having a Gestapo-level police force that "just follows orders" rather than acting morally isn't ideal.

On the other hand, the officers' reasons for not following orders in this instance are so bafflingly stupid and show an extreme lack of critical thinking that I wouldn't want it this way either.

You could argue that a democracy with accountable laws as well as appropriate checks and balances would allow itself to have law enforcement who only follow orders.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1657829857991225344


Another privatization success story. Gee, why wouldn't healthcare professionals want to come to Alberta?

[Yamer]

The group that was vehemently against vaccine mandates thinks forced treatment is actually ok.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1658167681869045770

[Fuzz]

Can someone sign Theo up for a treatment?

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1657829857991225344


Another privatization success story. Gee, why wouldn't healthcare professionals want to come to Alberta?

yeah its been frustrating, lots of great long term staff let go, people who were likely family to all at the hospital(s), I'm sure the new people are nice- feel badly for them, food now more expensive, smaller portions. hope its saving lots of $$

[BlackArcher101]

I feel lucky as I was directed that I need some blood tests done, but get to now have the fun of figuring that out. Was looking at private labs vs the long wait.... my god these prices.... I'd be over $500 for just what the doctor wants.

https://ichorhealth.ca/pages/about/p...esting-pricing

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I feel lucky as I was directed that I need some blood tests done, but get to now have the fun of figuring that out. Was looking at private labs vs the long wait.... my god these prices.... I'd be over $500 for just what the doctor wants.

https://ichorhealth.ca/pages/about/p...esting-pricing

Now take that situation and extrapolate it across all of healthcare. You don’t HAVE to pay but it’ll take forever for the free option to be available to you. This is the province that Danielle Smith wants you to live in.

You will be sicker, poorer and a select few will make a boatload of money.

#### that ####

[Ozy_Flame]

Whataboutism is this new fangled election strategy where if you don't feel like answering questions about your own pile of elephant poo, just blame the person before you!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1658177911583821824

[Yamer]

"Things I said months ago aren't relevant, but Rachel's record 4-8 years ago is."

Lots more ammo for her and the party's opposition today spilling, yet again, out of her own trap.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1658178000209207307

[Ozy_Flame]

Also, this totally wins over moderates

https://twitter.com/user/status/1658175926138466306