Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[chemgear]

I mean, at least he's recognizing he's ####ed up his job now that an election is coming up.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...gary-1.7088195

There is growing acknowledgment that the country doesn't have the capacity to integrate the increasing number of immigrants.

Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller has said that the number of temporary workers and international students has grown too quickly in Canada.

"It's something we are going to look at in the first quarter, first half of this year," Miller said in an interview on CTV's Question Period earlier this week.

"That volume is really disconcerting. It's really a system that has gotten out of control."

[Locke]

Originally Posted by chemgear

I mean, at least he's recognizing he's ####ed up his job now that an election is coming up.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...gary-1.7088195

There is growing acknowledgment that the country doesn't have the capacity to integrate the increasing number of immigrants.

Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller has said that the number of temporary workers and international students has grown too quickly in Canada.

"It's something we are going to look at in the first quarter, first half of this year," Miller said in an interview on CTV's Question Period earlier this week.

"That volume is really disconcerting. It's really a system that has gotten out of control."

Oh wow, I wonder who other than EVERYBODY could have predicted that? Oh yes...now I remember...EVERYONE.

I am all for immigration. Our country has a laughably low population for the second largest Sovereign land mass on Earth.

But seriously...does no one think about the logistics? You want to feed and house what effectively constitutes an invading army every year?

Well Son...then you'd best have a plan. A pretty good one.

[Locke]

This is the way I see this at the moment. In terms of planning and logistics?

1. Fyre Festival.
2. Trudeau's Immigration proposal.

So. Ladies and gentlemen...we're in for a show.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by chemgear

"It's something we are going to look at in the first quarter, first half of this year," Miller said in an interview on CTV's Question Period earlier this week.

First quarter, first half... maybe 3rd quarter, maybe 4th...
Sound convincing when you push the timeline immediately, in the same sentence.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh wow, I wonder who other than EVERYBODY could have predicted that? Oh yes...now I remember...EVERYONE.

I am all for immigration. Our country has a laughably low population for the second largest Sovereign land mass on Earth.

But seriously...does no one think about the logistics? You want to feed and house what effectively constitutes an invading army every year?

Well Son...then you'd best have a plan. A pretty good one.

The geographical size of Canada is pretty misleading when you consider land that is usable. It seems like most immigrants these days also have really high standards for comfort and avoid the frontiers. They migrate to very specific areas for the most part. You could say the same thing about natural born Canadians, but many still at least "do time" working in remote areas to at least get experience and make money. From my experience as someone who had to do that for several years, the proportion of immigrants who are willing to do it is small compared to the number of immigrants as whole these days. The ones who do tend to be the ones who came over with nothing and are really young. Canada seems to target a lot of more affluent immigrants though who go right into home ownership and buying investment real estate.

It used to not be that way though. Canada use to bring in immigrants for the purpose of filling in population gaps where industry needed it. When my family came to Canada, it was straight up to Pickle Lake Ontario because they needed workers and the choice was do that, or don't come.

[Mightyfire89]

Originally Posted by GGG

Does that include all post secondary? I thought the 2-1 stat is 4 year degree programs and excludes trades.

What interesting is you still have structural things that hurt women once in a job (maternity experience loss whether you take it or have kids or not) but in getting into university we have structural issue that hurt males.

Simply the entrance age for school and the time school starts in the morning put males at a disadvantage.

I think rather than programs that try to intervene after the outcome we should be fixing the structural problems before they get worse. But if necessary males in general could use assistance in entering post secondary in non tech fields.

What’s this now?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Mightyfire89

What’s this now?

Boys’ cognition develops slower than girls. 7 year old boys, on average, aren’t as well equipped to handle reading, writing, and math as 7 year old girls are.

https://www.educationnext.org/give-b...-boys-and-men/

[Mightyfire89]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Boys’ cognition develops slower than girls. 7 year old boys, on average, aren’t as well equipped to handle reading, writing, and math as 7 year old girls are.

https://www.educationnext.org/give-b...-boys-and-men/

Not overly surprising but I was more wondering about the starting time of day for school being a disadvantage for males. I should have just bolded that part.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Mightyfire89

Not overly surprising but I was more wondering about the starting time of day for school being a disadvantage for males. I should have just bolded that part.

The "night owl" gene mutation is also more commonly found in men than women, although men and women with this gene mutation are at a disadvantage when it comes to traditional school and work hours. More men than women have their daily cognitive highs at night.

https://news.ucsc.edu/2020/10/night-owls.html

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....70491401200111

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Boys’ cognition develops slower than girls. 7 year old boys, on average, aren’t as well equipped to handle reading, writing, and math as 7 year old girls are.

https://www.educationnext.org/give-b...-boys-and-men/

Felt like it took me until at least 16 to get to the study and reading level of 7 year old girls.

[PepsiFree]

That doesn’t really answer the question of how start times disadvantage males.

[Azure]

Makes you wonder if there had just been an election if the Liberals would even acknowledge the problem. What a bunch of scumbags.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Firebot

You are missing a whole year and a half on that graph. Immigration wasn't a major topic yet back in mid 2022.

Yup, because this was the most current I could find, and I'm not going to pull the numbers myself.

The graph doesn't dispute we are going through a massive spike in immigration, or suggest there aren't many related problems. It's just not using a completely flawed way of representing the data to push a narrative.

The numbers stand up on their own just fine to illustrate we are in outlying territory for historical immigration.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That doesn’t really answer the question of how start times disadvantage males.

https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/10012

Here is one study that directly addresses academic performance difference in males and females by start time. It finds 16% of the difference in gender grade gap can be attributed.

It’s only one study rather than a broad meta study but it fits with many of the other findings in those other linked papers.

I think having more school entrance periods would be an interesting experiment. Shift Boys entrance by 6 months and have 4 cohorts a year for school start date so everyone in each class is within 3 months of each other. Then you can target curriculum against current development state. Or if you could ever have a reliable test for behavioural development age you could use that as an entrance threshold within certain bounds.

The calendar/redshirt affect is real without considering gender and it’s amplified in young boys starting earlier. It’s also a poverty problem as people who can afford a additional year of child care can afford to redshirt whereas lower income have more difficulty.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GGG

https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/10012

Here is one study that directly addresses academic performance difference in males and females by start time. It finds 16% of the difference in gender grade gap can be attributed.

It’s only one study rather than a broad meta study but it fits with many of the other findings in those other linked papers.

I think having more school entrance periods would be an interesting experiment. Shift Boys entrance by 6 months and have 4 cohorts a year for school start date so everyone in each class is within 3 months of each other. Then you can target curriculum against current development state. Or if you could ever have a reliable test for behavioural development age you could use that as an entrance threshold within certain bounds.

The calendar/redshirt affect is real without considering gender and it’s amplified in young boys starting earlier. It’s also a poverty problem as people who can afford a additional year of child care can afford to redshirt whereas lower income have more difficulty.

What does redshirt mean?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What does redshirt mean?

They always die on Away Missions?

Like you know Kirk, Spock and McCoy are coming back, but Ensigns Jones and Smith are screwed.

[Azure]

With a stated goal of targeting institutional "bad actors" — and amid concern about the impact growing numbers of international students are having on the housing market — Immigration Minister Marc Miller announced Monday that the federal government will cap the number of student permits over the next two years.

The government says it will approve approximately 360,000 undergraduate study permits for 2024 — a 35 per cent reduction from 2023.

Each province and territory will be allotted a portion of the total, distributed according to population. The federal government says this will result in "much more significant decreases in provinces where the international student population has seen the most unsustainable growth."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mil...ents-1.7090779

Should have been 75% less. What a bunch of idiots we have in charge. This dummy should get canned.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mil...ents-1.7090779

Should have been 75% less. What a bunch of idiots we have in charge. This dummy should get canned.

So is that 365,000 cap just for new students who haven't already started studies in Canada? Because a news story I was reading said that in 2024, there were already an estimated 900,000 foreign students in Canada.

I will be interesting to see how some institutions handle it.

[CliffFletcher]

International students make up half the post-secondary student body in Ontario, and account for 76 per cent of tuition. So “interesting” might be underselling it.

https://higheredstrategy.com/spec-20...nd%202023%2D24

[timun]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What does redshirt mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirting_(academic)

(I hadn't heard of it either.)