2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Ozy_Flame]

Problem with Poolparty is that any team that gets him will need to employ a crack team of psychologists, therapists, and social services to overcome the traumatic experience he's had with the Oilers, and play the long game in rehabbing his confidence and skillset while washing off the Oilers stink.

Like buying a 2016 luxury car from an owner who drove it into the ground and obliterated the transmission in just three years. It's a commitment and an effort with no guarantee it will work like new ever again.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Funny I have the opposite POV.
I haven't seen enough progression from Janko this season to tell me that he will be much more than he is now. And there is a lot to like about that player - but 5 on 5 I don't see a top 6 player. I see a bottom 6 guy with a bit of offensive pop.
Kylington though has managed to play well in his role, but also still retains a much higher long term ceiling for me with more runway to get there. So overall he's the more valuable of the two assets.

It really comes down to how much one thinks Janko is close to a finished product or not. And in that sense my view has altered now based on how I would have probably answered that at the beginning of the year.

I would strongly consider a deal that involves Janko+Dube with the first being conditional on Stone re-signing or inclusion based on that happening in advance of the deadline.

I agree with all of this. I've been as big a Janko booster as there is since the moment he was drafted. I applauded the audacity of the pick. But the offense just hasn't been there outside of the PK and a random game against the Knights at the end of the year. He'll be 25 at the beginning of next year, and he's never been able to force the coaching staff to give him a look on the 2nd PP unit despite having one of the better shots on the team.

Given his position and skillset, you can sell a rival GM on his potential. He may yet become as good as Backlund, but when the return is Mark Stone, I think you do it.

Stone makes the 2nd line nearly as threatening as the 1st, and gives the team a legitimate 2nd PP unit - I would assume in the event of his acquisition, they wouldn't mess with #1. Stone is going to be on the ice in the last minute of a game up a goal or down, and a TBS line might be one of the few configurations in the league better defensively than the 3M one.

Don't trade Kylington.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don’t think Czarnik has any value. He’s replacement level quality.
Why would Edmonton do that? It’s basically giving the asset away for nothing

How much value do you think JP has? He can hardly even make Edmonton's line-up and will probably fuss if he gets sent down. It's to the point that he might even be a flight risk.

Czarnik would likely line-up up with RNH and be a 20/20 player on that team.

I agree Edmonton wouldn't do it, but I doubt they get any offers that they would like.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Problem with Poolparty is that any team that gets him will need to employ a crack team of psychologists, therapists, and social services to overcome the traumatic experience he's had with the Oilers, and play the long game in rehabbing his confidence and skillset while washing off the Oilers stink.

Like buying a 2016 luxury car from an owner who drove it into the ground and obliterated the transmission in just three years. It's a commitment and an effort with no guarantee it will work like new ever again.

Hall won an MVP within 24 months of leaving the Oilers. Schultz won a Stanley Cup 2 months later and then another one after leading his team in ice time sans Letang. Dubnyk left Edmonton and within six months was a Vezina candidate. And those are just off the top of my head.

It's not a factor.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

How much value do you think JP has? He can hardly even make Edmonton's line-up and will probably fuss if he gets sent down. It's to the point that he might even be a flight risk.

Czarnik would likely line-up up with RNH and be a 20/20 player on that team.

I agree Edmonton wouldn't do it, but I doubt they get any offers that they would like.

4th overall picks still on their ELCs who had the misfortune of being taken by Edmonton are going to get the benefit of the doubt from 30 other NHL organizations. They just will. The people up the road don't know what they're doing.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Insider trading;
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider...ursday~1615383

Puljujarvi is injured right now but the Oilers would like to send Puljujarvi to the AHL for the rest of the season
McKenzie wonders if relationship between Puljujarvi and Oilers management has been fractured beyond repair
lots of speculation Puljujarvi would not look kindly to being demoted to the AHL
Oilers not trying to move Puljujarvi, but can't rule out them trading him before the deadline if they got an offer that blew them away

did the Oilers ever botch this.

Puljujarvi was in the AHL already when Hitchcock decided to pull him up, which was clearly the wrong decision. Kid needs to put in a good stint in the minors imo, time enough to be "the man" down there to build his confidence.

Bringing him back up hasn't helped his progression at all and in fact 'sounds like' imo, a kid that feels that his game is good enough for the NHL...when clearly it is not.

not saying he has entitlement issues, but if the kid is 'not looking kindly' at a demotion to the AHL, it really makes you wonder where his head space is at...

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

How much value do you think JP has? He can hardly even make Edmonton's line-up and will probably fuss if he gets sent down. It's to the point that he might even be a flight risk.

Czarnik would likely line-up up with RNH and be a 20/20 player on that team.

I agree Edmonton wouldn't do it, but I doubt they get any offers that they would like.

He’s still got pedigree and some will believe he can be rehabilitated away from Edmonton
So I bet his value is something like we got for Sven
A second rounder or a similar prospect
Or a change of scenery type of deal
In reality the oilers are unlikely to move him to the Flames in case he does figure it out
I don’t see a 20/20 player at all with czarnik
He just isn’t good

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He’s still got pedigree and some will believe he can be rehabilitated away from Edmonton
So I bet his value is something like we got for Sven
A second rounder or a similar prospect
Or a change of scenery type of deal
In reality the oilers are unlikely to move him to the Flames in case he does figure it out
I don’t see a 20/20 player at all
He just isn’t good

But we are talking about the Oilers here. Czarnik is better than half their forwards. He has a higher ppg average than JP and plays a minute and a half less per game.

A 2nd rounder is less of a sure thing to be a contributor than Czarnik.

I was kind of being cheeky by suggesting it. But I do think that JP won't amount to anything in the NHL if he stays on the Oilers much longer. He will be Yakupov'd to the KHL.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Similar to other discussions it’s about if the players are finished products or not
Czarnik is more likely to be at his ceiling
Jesse is still young enough that he could pull a Dylan Strome and pop under a new situation
And I think if he gets traded he will
But yeah if he doesn’t the next stop is the KHL
I would easily move the 2020 2nd for him. In a heart beat

[bluejays]

That Stone potential trade tweet has BS written all over it. Possibly a planned leak by a rival GM looking to get Stone. Ottawa has established themselves as incapable of robbing a team. That proposed deal would be grand theft which is why I call BS.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Similar to other discussions it’s about if the players are finished products or not
Czarnik is more likely to be at his ceiling
Jesse is still young enough that he could pull a Dylan Strome and pop under a new situation
And I think if he gets traded he will
But yeah if he doesn’t the next stop is the KHL
I would easily move the 2020 2nd for him. In a heart beat

So would I if that is all it took. I don't put a lot of value on 2nd rounders. Either way would be like giving up nothing.

But I do think Czarnik could pull a Byron in the right situation. Byron was my dark horse pick a couple of times to be a 20 goal guy. Czarnik has the shot and skating that if he played regularly with someone like RNH or McDavid, I could see him being able to stop the gap. If Alex freaking Chiasson can do it....

[dammage79]

If the Oil would trade Poolparty to CGY, I'd do it. Still have a soft spot for him from the draft. Would like to see him in a better environment. id still slap him in the AHL to get the confidence back but I'd still trade for him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Brick

Martin Jones (Age 29) this season: .896 save percentage, almost as bad as Mike Smith (Age 36) .892 this season. I know which one I would bet on to turn it on in the playoffs.

I would bet neither.

I’m mystified why you feel the need to place a bet on either one.

I agree Jones is a better bet, due to him being younger and the fact that he’ll get first crack at being the #1 goalie heading into the playoffs.

But being a better bet than Smith isn’t the goal here.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

And that itself should tell us all something about where the Flames are at in their trajectory towards a championship right now. I still think the cost is too high and the return too shallow for this to be a worthwhile venture now.

It’s not likely to get much better. That’s the randomness and parity of the NHL.

When you have (by NHL standards) a reasonable chance of winning, you go for it. And reasonable means 10% or more, or if you are the end of your competitive window.


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[Love]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If the Oil would trade Poolparty to CGY, I'd do it. Still have a soft spot for him from the draft. Would like to see him in a better environment. id still slap him in the AHL to get the confidence back but I'd still trade for him.

Rt. Wanted him so so bad in 2016 and was crushed when the Oilers got him.

All of that trade up buzz with Columbus I was certain was for us to snag Pulju

[Brick]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I would bet neither.

I’m mystified why you feel the need to place a bet on either one.

I agree Jones is a better bet, due to him being younger and the fact that he’ll get first crack at being the #1 goalie heading into the playoffs.

But being a better bet than Smith isn’t the goal here.


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My point is that San Jose, despite some people's concerns about Jones, have less to worry about than the Flames do when it comes to goaltending.

[Mr.Coffee]

it's really fantastic that players go to Edmonton, suck, leave, and then are awesome.

Like imagine what McDavid would be if he wasn't in Edmonton? We should all assume the guy is capable of ~50% more.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

it's really fantastic that players go to Edmonton, suck, leave, and then are awesome.

Like imagine what McDavid would be if he wasn't in Edmonton? We should all assume the guy is capable of ~50% more.

Just considering the linemates he's had, that's not a stretch in the slightest.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Captaincanada80

Sports club stats does not take into effect a teams rostor, just the record and analytics. Therefore the % would not change and remain at 14.3%

I know. I was just using it as a starting point on the Flames chances on winning the cup. The point I was making was that I don't think adding Stone or Duchene significantly increases the Flames chances at winning the cup.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Brick

Martin Jones (Age 29) this season: .896 save percentage, almost as bad as Mike Smith (Age 36) .892 this season. I know which one I would bet on to turn it on in the playoffs.

Assuming you are referring to Smith, I agree.