Israel declares war on Hamas

[SutterBrother]

Hamas offers all hostages in exchange for cease fire, Palestinian prisoners, and Israeli withdrawal.

Hamas proposes exchanging all Israeli captives and Palestinian prisoners in “one go” during the second phase of the Gaza ceasefire deal and reach a permanent truce and a full Israeli pullout.

Despite the ceasefire, at least three Palestinians have been killed and 11 injured in Israeli attacks across Gaza in the past 24 hours, the Health Ministry says.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveb...xchange-agreed

Assuming the offer is genuine - feels (IMO) like:
1) Hamas is about out of living prisoners.
2) Hamas is reaching the end of their ability to function/ hold power in Gaza.
3) Israel won't accept it without at least token surrender of Hamas leadership.

All that said - would be amazing if it were true and happened simply on account of how many lives would be spared.

[Fuzz]

Humanitarian officials say they haven't seen such displacement in the West Bank since the war in 1967, when Israel took over the territory west of the Jordan River, along with East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, displacing another 300,000 Palestinians.

"This is unprecedented. When you add to this the destruction of infrastructure, we're reaching a point where the camps are becoming uninhabitable," said Roland Friedrich, director of West Bank affairs for UNRWA, the UN Palestinian refugee agency. More than 40,100 Palestinians have fled their homes in the ongoing military operation, according to the agency.


Experts say that Israel's tactics in the West Bank are becoming almost indistinguishable from those deployed in Gaza. Already, U.S. President Donald Trump's proposal for the mass transfer of Palestinians out of Gaza has emboldened Israel's far-right to renew calls for annexation of the West Bank.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/west-b...463048?cmp=rss


'member when posters in this thread kept deflecting when the WB was brought up, and it was only Gaza getting destroyed because of Hamas? Ya, I 'member.


Guess this is the end of the road for Palestinians. Congrats, you ####ing monsters, you won the "Holy Land". Some fantastic god you've got. Hope the stain on your souls is worth it.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Hamas offers all hostages in exchange for cease fire, Palestinian prisoners, and Israeli withdrawal.



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveb...xchange-agreed

Assuming the offer is genuine - feels (IMO) like:
1) Hamas is about out of living prisoners.
2) Hamas is reaching the end of their ability to function/ hold power in Gaza.
3) Israel won't accept it without at least token surrender of Hamas leadership.

All that said - would be amazing if it were true and happened simply on account of how many lives would be spared.

Yes, Hamas is "about out of living prisoners" like a grocery store is out of produce. And they are not prisoners - they are innocents held hostage for over 500 days.

Tomorrow is going to be one of the worst days since October 7 (if not in the history of the State of Israel) when Hamas returns the dead bodies of Shiri Bibas and her two babies.

Congrats you ####ing terrorist monsters you killed the possibility of a two-state solution for even the most moderate of Israelis. Hope your efforts to achieve your sick objectives was worth it.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/west-b...463048?cmp=rss


'member when posters in this thread kept deflecting when the WB was brought up, and it was only Gaza getting destroyed because of Hamas? Ya, I 'member.


Guess this is the end of the road for Palestinians. Congrats, you ####ing monsters, you won the "Holy Land". Some fantastic god you've got. Hope the stain on your souls is worth it.

This has been the ulterior motive the entire time. You de-sensitize people to the war and atrocities being committed, and then the land grab just seems like another Wednesday.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

This has been the ulterior motive the entire time. You de-sensitize people to the war and atrocities being committed, and then the land grab just seems like another Wednesday.

The tragic irony of all of this is that the very large majority of Israelis murdered or taken hostage by Hamas on October 7 wanted to live in peace side by side with an independent Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

The tragic irony of all of this is that the very large majority of Israelis murdered or taken hostage by Hamas on October 7 wanted to live in peace side by side with an independent Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank.

The thousands of children Israel murdered may have as well one day. Alas, they’ll never return home.

[CalgaryKid12]

Originally Posted by BigThief

"not sure" isn't an answer.

lol wut?

Not sure = In your hypothetical scenario, I am not sure if I would or would not be respectful or disrespectful. It's a made up situation, how am I to definitively say what would happen?

I answered your question. Maybe not the "gotcha" answer that you were looking for. But, question = answered.

[Language]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The thousands of children Israel murdered may have as well one day. Alas, they’ll never return home.

Cute. Equating casualties in a war zone where the combatants hides amongst the civilian population, to a family literally kidnapped from their home, dragged into terrorist tunnels and murdered in cold blood. And then returned in some sick spectacle with music and cheering.

The fact you even felt the need to respond with your twisted logic shows how warped you are. Lost cause. Doesn’t matter really, the Palestinian hopes and dreams may as well have died with the Bibas kids.


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[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/west-b...463048?cmp=rss


'member when posters in this thread kept deflecting when the WB was brought up, and it was only Gaza getting destroyed because of Hamas? Ya, I 'member.


Guess this is the end of the road for Palestinians. Congrats, you ####ing monsters, you won the "Holy Land". Some fantastic god you've got. Hope the stain on your souls is worth it.

The moment Trump was elected the Israeli govt knew they basically deploy whatever solution they wanted in the West Bank and Gaza.

There simply wasn't going to be any further outcry from the United States. The Trump government would much prefer ethnic cleansing of the region to anything else.

I imagine Hamas is aware of this, hence their offer to try to gain a ceasefire ASAP.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Language

Cute. Equating casualties in a war zone where the combatants hides amongst the civilian population, to a family literally kidnapped from their home, dragged into terrorist tunnels and murdered in cold blood. And then returned in some sick spectacle with music and cheering.

The fact you even felt the need to respond with your twisted logic shows how warped you are. Lost cause. Doesn’t matter really, the Palestinian hopes and dreams may as well have died with the Bibas kids.


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Huh, not sure where they equated those things, but gosh darn is it ironic to say that, and in the next breath talk about twisted logic.

But classic playbook using false equivalencies to try and make your message seem like the moral one. There are literally zero people in here condoning what Hamas did to the Bibas family (and many others). There are literally zero people here that are supporting Hamas.

On the other hand, you are the perfect example of people who are using what Hamas has done as a blank check of support for the atrocities Israel is currently committing against the Palestinians. Imagine thinking the lamenting of thousands of dead children somehow equates to supporting terrorism. Talk about twisted logic.

"Why didn't the children just leave the war zone or something, are they stupid?" - Language, probably.

[SutterBrother]

Both sides suck. Little point approaching this conflict with emotion either way.

There's no "good guys" to be had.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Both sides suck. Little point approaching this conflict with emotion either way.

There's no "good guys" to be had.

False. The good guys are the innocent civilians on both sides who just want to live in peace. Those are the people that need protection. Those are the people we need to continue to be a voice for and continue to approach with emotion. The minute we forget them, the monsters who have perpetuated this war win.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

Cute. Equating casualties in a war zone where the combatants hides amongst the civilian population, to a family literally kidnapped from their home, dragged into terrorist tunnels and murdered in cold blood. And then returned in some sick spectacle with music and cheering.

The fact you even felt the need to respond with your twisted logic shows how warped you are. Lost cause. Doesn’t matter really, the Palestinian hopes and dreams may as well have died with the Bibas kids.


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I think maybe the person who calls the act of murdering thousands of children “cute” should probably never call anyone else twisted or warped ever again.

[Language]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think maybe the person who calls the act of murdering thousands of children “cute” should probably never call anyone else twisted or warped ever again.

You’re a buffoon. Great attempt to twist my words. Any child/innocent person dying is a tragedy. You somehow equated kids dying in a war setting as equivalent to a baby dying at the hands of his captors, after being kidnapped/beaten/choked to death. Can’t believe I even need to type that out. Both babies dying who are innocent is tragic. But there is zero equivalence between the two realities. The fact you can’t distinguish the two, does in fact, make you twisted and warped.


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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

You’re a buffoon. Great attempt to twist my words. Any child/innocent person dying is a tragedy. You somehow equated kids dying in a war setting as equivalent to a baby dying at the hands of his captors, after being kidnapped/beaten/choked to death. Can’t believe I even need to type that out. Both babies dying who are innocent is tragic. But there is zero equivalence between the two realities. The fact you can’t distinguish the two, does in fact, make you twisted and warped.


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Well, any child is a tragedy to people like myself. Not to people like you, as we’ve well established. Unless you’re saying you cheer on some tragedies, which would be even more disgusting than pretending one isn’t.

However you need to justify wrongfully cheering on some murdered babies while rightfully condemning others is whatever. The desire to avoid cognitive dissonance is pretty natural, so I get it, but you could probably do it in a way that makes you less ghoulish.

The fact is that you’re the one who chimes in at every mention of the many innocent Palestinians killed to discount, demean, and dismiss. I simply mentioned the fact that many murdered children would never find peace, you felt the need to jump in, call names, and make a whole deal about how that was actually more justifiable depending on where they were born. Nobody even called them equal, but you had to make sure you insulted people and reminded them they weren’t. Pretty gross.

So, sorry, you don’t actually have any right to call anyone twisted or warped. Save the projections and pipe down.

[Vedder]

Ghastly display this week at the Hamas rally handing over the coffins of two murdered babies. A morally rotted organization that needs to be eradicated. Lots of supporters in attendance.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Language

You’re a buffoon. Great attempt to twist my words. Any child/innocent person dying is a tragedy. You somehow equated kids dying in a war setting as equivalent to a baby dying at the hands of his captors, after being kidnapped/beaten/choked to death. Can’t believe I even need to type that out. Both babies dying who are innocent is tragic. But there is zero equivalence between the two realities. The fact you can’t distinguish the two, does in fact, make you twisted and warped.


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So just out of curiosity, since you seem to have a ranking for how outraged we are allowed to be at dead children, it seems like you rank dead Palestinian children low. What do you figure, they’re like in 5 or 6th place? Do I have them too low? Are they lower or higher than children killed in school shootings?

What about quantity, does that matter at all? Is 10,000 murdered Palestinian children not as bad because it was a “war setting”?

Just trying to calibrate to how I’m allowed to feel in the next tragedy.

[Zoller]

Not sure if this should be in the funny video thread or here



https://youtu.be/G5HlrkLQWnc?si=NVoIWCZsfjHnecux

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...68387897265338


You have to admit, that's quite the jingle

[SutterBrother]

After the last exchange Hamas holds only 27 living hostages at this point (and 35 bodies).

AP News

I'd expect Hamas to try to stall as long as possible in negotiations for the 2nd phase of prisoner exchanges. I fully expect once the fate of the last living hostage is determined Israel would expel all Palestinians from Gaza with Trump's blessing.

Hamas may even try to hold onto the living for the next 4 years in the hope they can outlast the Trump administration. What a brutal sentence for those hostages.

As for the Palestinian people - they're just altogether f-cked. They can't leave, they can't overthrow Hamas, Israel wants them dead, the neighboring states want them to stay where they are...

[Fuzz]

The United States and Israel have both rejected an alternative plan to rebuild Gaza after it was adopted by Arab states at a Tuesday summit.

Egypt's plan — which would cost an estimated $53 billion US — would prevent mass displacement of the enclave's population of roughly two million Palestinians.

The plan endorsed by Arab leaders at a summit in Cairo was a counter-proposal to U.S. President Donald Trump's proposal to displace its residents, take ownership of the territory and redevelop it into a "Middle Eastern Riviera."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/usa-is...475019?cmp=rss

So after decades of saying Arab nations need to step up, they come up with a plan and the instant reaction is "LOL. no. GTFO."

Bonus quote!

Marmorstein reiterated Israel's support for Trump's plan to resettle Gaza's population elsewhere, describing it as "an opportunity for the Gazans to have free choice based on their free will."

Do you even know what any of those words mean? Holy ####.