Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Doctorfever]

I wonder if wait times at hospitals will be affected.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I wonder if wait times at hospitals will be affected.

UCPs fault.

[Ozy_Flame]

Frustrated conservatives: don't vote for the Liberals! They ruined everything!

votes NDP

Aaaaargh no not like that

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Nah. It's mostly just a lie white liberals can tell themselves in order to believe they aren't complicit in systems of oppression.

You either believe that racism and discrimination affects people's outcomes, or you don't. Considering what almost all the data points to, remaining colourblind is an ideological choice, not one grounded in reason.

Considering that "reason" is supposed to be the bedrock of liberalism, it's a major contradiction. That said, liberals tend to contradict themselves pretty frequently in service of themselves, so maybe it is liberal after all.

I mean, if it’s so important to ensure every political ideological subset (like “woke”) has a label (but NOT important that things like GAY or BLACK become labels because we are all the SAME except those who are DIFFERENT but calling anyone different turns them TRANS, according to said “liberals”) then maybe it’s time this specific brand of liberal creates a label for themselves that is better fitting and avoids constant and repetitive contradiction to the point of nausea.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Don’t know where to post this.

You might not agree with what Jordan Peterson says but he makes good arguments in support of his right to free speech.

This is what happens after years of woke liberal rule.

https://apple.news/AoF7V0ErZTrKPirEEdmhT1g

Looooool. This is the stupidest of timelines. My good God. This is supposed to outrage me?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Azure

We added 500,000 people in the last 6 months.

It is not even remotely close to being sustainable, and right now the future of all our public services is at risk. The fact that a single person is willing to vote for the Liberals after this fiasco, and their inability to admit that they screwed up with the immigration policies is beyond mind-boggling.

What a bloody mess.

Do you think if the other parties moderated their positions on a few policies that they might steal some of those votes?

[Ped]

I pointed out the shortcomings of the idiot costly self-aggrandizing virtue-signaling demoralizing lie of the power-mad climate apocalypse-mongers — that on Joe Rogan’s podcast

Should be disciplined just for that sentence.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Do you think if the other parties moderated their positions on a few policies that they might steal some of those votes?

Who gives a crap?

Politicians will do what politicians do. Always have, always will.

But we've had years of normal immigration in Canada regardless of who was in power. The temporary worker program, which I believe was started under Harper, and has since been expanded, plus this student stupidity has completely out of control.

The only thing that matters right now is the future of our country, and the Liberals as the party in power refuse to acknowledge these serious problems with THEIR policies, and therefore they shouldn't get a single seat in the next election.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Nah. It's mostly just a lie white liberals can tell themselves in order to believe they aren't complicit in systems of oppression.

You either believe that racism and discrimination affects people's outcomes, or you don't. Considering what almost all the data points to, remaining colourblind is an ideological choice, not one grounded in reason.

Considering that "reason" is supposed to be the bedrock of liberalism, it's a major contradiction. That said, liberals tend to contradict themselves pretty frequently in service of themselves, so maybe it is liberal after all.

You can believe racism and discrimination affects peoples’ outcomes, and not believe different treatment of groups by the law and institutions is the best way to deal with it. Kicking universalism to the ditch has really bad consequences for a liberal, pluralistic society. It turns it into an unrelenting struggle between groups to gain status on the oppression stack. As much as you can wish it weren’t true, encouraging some people to make their race central to their political identity encourages everyone to make race central to their political identity. That’s just the way people work.

And you really should stop pretending that it’s only white people who think everyone should be treated the same regardless of their racial identity. Most minorities do not support race-based hiring or school admissions policies.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...tive-action_3/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/548528/...ffer-race.aspx

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Azure

Who gives a crap?

Well seeing as you appear to be concerned that people will vote liberal, I’d say you give a crap otherwise you wouldn’t have posted that.

Politicians will do what politicians do. Always have, always will.

I’m a little confused here, you’re saying status quo is good now?

But we've had years of normal immigration in Canada regardless of who was in power. The temporary worker program, which I believe was started under Harper, and has since been expanded, plus this student stupidity has completely out of control.

The only thing that matters right now is the future of our country, and the Liberals as the party in power refuse to acknowledge these serious problems with THEIR policies, and therefore they shouldn't get a single seat in the next election.

So the other parties who won’t address these policies beyond lip service are the right choice? I think you’re letting your emotions blind you a little, I say that as someone who hasn’t voted for this party and almost certainly won’t be in the next election either.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You can believe racism and discrimination affects peoples’ outcomes, and not believe different treatment of groups by the law and institutions is the best way to deal with it. Kicking universalism to the ditch has really bad consequences for a liberal, pluralistic society. It turns it into an unrelenting struggle between groups to gain status on the oppression stack. As much as you can wish it weren’t true, encouraging some people to make their race central to their political identity encourages everyone to make race central to their political identity. That’s just the way people work.

And you really should stop pretending that it’s only white people who think everyone should be treated the same regardless of their racial identity. Most minorities do not support race-based hiring or school admissions policies.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...tive-action_3/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/548528/...ffer-race.aspx

What's interesting about this debate is that it's now white males who are falling behind in education and post secondary admissions.
Females are graduating post secondary institutions about 2 to 1 vs males, and asian females are doing particularly well.

I wonder is affirmative action to get white males back up to even levels will start to become a thing and if it will be championed by the same people who wanted equality through affirmative action before.
Probably be championed by people who were adamantly against affirmative action before.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What's interesting about this debate is that it's now white males who are falling behind in education and post secondary admissions.
Females are graduating post secondary institutions about 2 to 1 vs males, and asian females are doing particularly well.

I wonder is affirmative action to get white males back up to even levels will start to become a thing and if it will be championed by the same people who wanted equality through affirmative action before.
Probably be championed by people who were adamantly against affirmative action before.

Does that include all post secondary? I thought the 2-1 stat is 4 year degree programs and excludes trades.

What interesting is you still have structural things that hurt women once in a job (maternity experience loss whether you take it or have kids or not) but in getting into university we have structural issue that hurt males.

Simply the entrance age for school and the time school starts in the morning put males at a disadvantage.

I think rather than programs that try to intervene after the outcome we should be fixing the structural problems before they get worse. But if necessary males in general could use assistance in entering post secondary in non tech fields.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What's interesting about this debate is that it's now white males who are falling behind in education and post secondary admissions.
Females are graduating post secondary institutions about 2 to 1 vs males, and asian females are doing particularly well.

I wonder is affirmative action to get white males back up to even levels will start to become a thing and if it will be championed by the same people who wanted equality through affirmative action before.
Probably be championed by people who were adamantly against affirmative action before.

It’s already happening informally with men.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/m...nrollment.html

[Regorium]

At a law firm that I am familiar with in Calgary, only 9 of 35 first year articling students were male. In the medical field, I've heard that 60% of resident doctors are female.

In the professional levels, women are definitely starting to outcompete men, even if it'll take several decades for it to percolate through the system.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You can believe racism and discrimination affects peoples’ outcomes, and not believe different treatment of groups by the law and institutions is the best way to deal with it. Kicking universalism to the ditch has really bad consequences for a liberal, pluralistic society. It turns it into an unrelenting struggle between groups to gain status on the oppression stack. As much as you can wish it weren’t true, encouraging some people to make their race central to their political identity encourages everyone to make race central to their political identity. That’s just the way people work.

Except that white supremacy and bigotry hasn't disappeared due to liberalism. It's adapted to be more palatable to whites.

Your argument seems to be that incrementalism is the best answer, but you've never addressed the collateral damage aspect of incrementalism. How many dead queer folks, blacks, etc., is acceptable to preserve your liberal ideals? And why is it that minorities always have to bear that burden?

And you really should stop pretending that it’s only white people who think everyone should be treated the same regardless of their racial identity. Most minorities do not support race-based hiring or school admissions policies.

You must seem to think this is some kind of trump card, because you toss it into every single one of these debates. What it really is is a giant, blended strawman and ad populum fallacy.

I've never stated it's only whites that support these programs. And even if a majority of minorities don't support these programs, so what? We shouldn't be judging whether these policies are popular. They should be judged on whether they're effective tools in mitigating the harm caused by white supremacy.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Regorium

At a law firm that I am familiar with in Calgary, only 9 of 35 first year articling students were male. In the medical field, I've heard that 60% of resident doctors are female.

In the professional levels, women are definitely starting to outcompete men, even if it'll take several decades for it to percolate through the system.

Thats okay. If nothing else thats probably good because what we really need are Trades, so women are more hesitant to go into trades, let them do Professional work and let males work more in trades.

If we dont have people to build houses and hospitals we're going to be well and truly in trouble.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I think growth rates are far more useful to look at:

You are missing a whole year and a half on that graph. Immigration wasn't a major topic yet back in mid 2022.

Also telling how brainwashed some are with their partisan narrative when one of the thanks is from someone who posted a 12 year old population projection growth chart and the same population year over year graph up to 2020 to argue the same thing last summer (and never corrected it when called out). The other thanks is for someone who agreed with that same graph with zero critical thinking.

Meanwhile here are real current stats about current population growth.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...31219c-eng.htm

Canada's population was estimated at 40,528,396 on October 1, 2023, an increase of 430,635 people (+1.1%) from July 1. This was the highest population growth rate in any quarter since the second quarter of 1957 (+1.2%)

Canada's total population growth for the first nine months of 2023 (+1,030,378 people) had already exceeded the total growth for any other full-year period since Confederation in 1867, including 2022, when there was a record growth.

In the third quarter of 2023, the vast majority (96.0%) of the population growth was due to international migration.

The level of narrative misinformation some will go to avoid conceding something that Liberals are actively bragging about is hilarious and sad at the same time. We are up 3.1% YOY as of Oct 1 2023 in population growth for those keeping track, well above all years in Canadian history on record except for 1957 which was 3.3%

[PepsiFree]

At least when I remember stuff people said a year ago it’s interesting stuff like “we should teach kids the good things Nazi’s did” and not lame stuff like *posted a graph*

[anyonebutedmonton]

Originally Posted by Regorium

At a law firm that I am familiar with in Calgary, only 9 of 35 first year articling students were male. In the medical field, I've heard that 60% of resident doctors are female.

In the professional levels, women are definitely starting to outcompete men, even if it'll take several decades for it to percolate through the system.

Curious what firm you are referring to... Fairly certain there is no firm in Calgary with 35 articling students. Not questioning the split between male/female, particularly at early stages of the profession, but I think your numbers may be off.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

At least when I remember stuff people said a year ago it’s interesting stuff like “we should teach kids the good things Nazi’s did” and not lame stuff like *posted a graph*

I've been on the Autobahn...it wasnt that great.

I think a few million Jews could have built something better having been given the opportunity.