Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Ashartus]

And yet if you actually voted based on the teachings of Jesus it sure wouldn't be for the UCP.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Ashartus

And yet if you actually voted based on the teachings of Jesus it sure wouldn't be for the UCP.

That is absolutely true.

If you look at the link, it is not pointing Catholics to vote for a particular party. It shows the party stances on issues of Catholic concern.

No party stands for everything Jesus stands for. There are problems with all.

It seems to me that it is pretty clear which party is most concerned with providing for all with a real effort to help the marginalized and which one wants to help the wealthy.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Ashartus

And yet if you actually voted based on the teachings of Jesus it sure wouldn't be for the UCP.

Lol, you think that Catholics know anything about the teaching in their holy texts. It's too dry of a read for them, and the stuff they do know is decontextualized snippets they memorized when they were children and have not critically considered the meaning of.

[troutman]

West Hillhurst is a Sea of Orange.

[Ozy_Flame]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1657347432655593472

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

https://twitter.com/user/status/1657347432655593472

Damn, I was hoping “he who shall not be named” was going to post this one.

[octothorp]

I feel like those Calgary numbers (+4 amongst decided) still aren't where the NDP need them to be to get a majority, but hopefully the undecideds continue to break for the the NDP.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Crosstabs on the abacus poll are consistent with what we are seeing locally, in that Calgary is still very close. What’s interesting is that Calgary is looking like a true bellwether in that while other regions have one of the parties way ahead, the projected vote share in Calgary kind of resembles the provincial average.

It’s only one poll but the trend he’s observing within his own data is kind of interesting. We will have to see if this “undecided movement” toward the NDP is replicated by any other pollsters, or if this starts to look more like statistical noise once more polls are released.

[indes]

More orange around Sherwood Park than I expected. They aren't outpacing the blue ones but I imagine more people are hesitant about putting them up, hopefully SP flips!

[Inglewood Jack]

What I’m telling traditionally conservative voters that I know…if you have no taste for Smith and care about the future of a reasonable conservative party, hold your nose this one time and teach the UCP/TBA a lesson, that their brand of far right chaos will not be rewarded. If they win in a couple of weeks, that only validates their strategy. Don’t rely on promises that they’ll deal with Smith later, she’s just a nutty figurehead who can be replaced with someone that has better PR skills but the same or worse plans behind the scenes.

I actually want there to be a good sensible conservative option out there to keep the NDP honest. That doesn’t exist right now but if the current UCP can be burned to the ground, maybe in 4 years we can have a relatively normal election where we’re arguing over budget allocations, not vaccine nazis and Avion points for hospital stays.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The next leader will have the same juggling act with the factions within the party.

[SportsJunky]

Had a talk with my neighbor last night and he thanked me for putting up the only orange sign on the block. We agreed that although we wouldn't call ourselves NDP supporters, we will never cast a vote for a party led by Danielle Smith. He says many on our block feel the same way. Let's hope so.

[T-Dog]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Had a talk with my neighbor last night and he thanked me for putting up the only orange sign on the block. We agreed that although we wouldn't call ourselves NDP supporters, we will never cast a vote for a party led by Danielle Smith. He says many on our block feel the same way. Let's hope so.

I’m a conservative in this camp and suspect there are many in this position. Danielle Smith doesn’t represent traditional conservative values.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The next leader will have the same juggling act with the factions within the party.

I don't know why they even bother with the regressive faction. A conservative brand who's socially hands off will dominate elections. Trying to keep these people from splitting off into their own party again is so dumb.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't know why they even bother with the regressive faction. A conservative brand who's socially hands off will dominate elections. Trying to keep these people from splitting off into their own party again is so dumb.

A factor is that a large percentage of the people who participate at the conservative convention are evangelicals.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't know why they even bother with the regressive faction. A conservative brand who's socially hands off will dominate elections. Trying to keep these people from splitting off into their own party again is so dumb.

If they told the socons to pound sand and leave the party they would lose 35- 40% of their voters which is not an option so they usually say they just won’t listen to them much.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't know why they even bother with the regressive faction. A conservative brand who's socially hands off will dominate elections. Trying to keep these people from splitting off into their own party again is so dumb.

Too many people actually agree with those believes and many more that would rather put up with those views than risk vote splitting with two parties.

I agree that a party that got rid of the regressive right should be a party that dominates Alberta politics like the PC party did, but for many its easier to give up their believes to try and hold on to the power they currently have.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If they told the socons to pound sand and leave the party they would lose 35- 40% of their voters which is not an option so they usually say they just won’t listen to them much.

The key seems to be not letting these people run for elected position in the first place. They can vote, but why let them run?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

A factor is that a large percentage of the people who participate at the conservative convention are evangelicals.

Exactly. They are motivated to participate. That's how TBA got rid of Kenney and took over half the UCP board. They're training and motivating more people to do this, having figure out that a relative small number of people can have outsized influence at local and organization levels. This is something that progressive organizations still aren't taking to heart.

[edslunch]

Looks like a lot of UCP supporters are not looking closely at their leader. I can't imagine 80% having favourable opinions, but the tribal aspect is clear in the way the two groups view the leaders.