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Old 07-08-2025, 01:54 PM   #1041
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They just added a future #2 C in Reschny or possibly Potter if he sticks and here. Both those players have higher upside than Zary. We have nobody in the organization with Byram's upside on the left side.
Eh, Byram is 24 years old and really just an offensive defenseman in the grand scheme of things. Does he play over Parekh in our hypothetical PP1 of the future? Probably not, at which point you're not going to get Byram's fully realized upside here either.

What would be more valuable than Byram is a Chris Tanev / Devon Toews type of D to pair with Parekh, which would be less expensive, both from a trade cost perspective and a cap perspective. Especially since we have a really offensive minded RD prospect in Brzustewicz who would also work best with a more complete partner, and Weegar despite being a right shot is very comfortable on the left side as well.
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Old 07-08-2025, 02:11 PM   #1042
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I don't think a Byram for Zary trade should be reduced to "1st pairing potential vs 2nd line center potential".

Other factors to consider are:
  • Health
  • Likelihood of reaching potential
  • Floor
  • Long-term fit
  • Contract demands
Not all of these are as easy to call. I did go through this with a paragraph each, but realized this is a fairly arbitrary and rather pointless post. I just think for whichever side (yes or no to a Zary for Byram trade) you fall on, it is a good idea to try and evaluate it through those 5 (or more if you can think of them) considerations. Maybe it will sway you, maybe not.


I personally gave Byram the advantage without thinking over Zary in terms of Health.. but then found out that Byram has a concussion history. Maybe the advantage swings the other way. 3 concussions in his first 2 years. The more I went through those points and considered things, the less likely I would want to pull the trigger on this trade. Definitely more upside with Byram vs Zary, but a lot more risk too.
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Trade Ras now. If we are looking to not potentially deflate a room full of hopeful hardworkers fighting for a spot, we don't want to trade our 1RHD in the middle of the season.

I also don't want the W's that come from players that we know we will trade. If we make the playoffs and go in with the team (or better) that got us there, I can't complain on that. But if we back into the playoffs with a depleted roster - I'd very much rather take the high pick as there is no chance we make any noise in the playoffs anyway. It'll just be a full week of wasted time - whatever Sutter's quote was.

Trade Ras now when teams can still make room and you have more hopefuls.
Trade Andersson when the return is right.
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Trade Ras now. If we are looking to not potentially deflate a room full of hopeful hardworkers fighting for a spot, we don't want to trade our 1RHD in the middle of the season.

I also don't want the W's that come from players that we know we will trade. If we make the playoffs and go in with the team (or better) that got us there, I can't complain on that. But if we back into the playoffs with a depleted roster - I'd very much rather take the high pick as there is no chance we make any noise in the playoffs anyway. It'll just be a full week of wasted time - whatever Sutter's quote was.

Trade Ras now when teams can still make room and you have more hopefuls.
Ras is a pro. I don’t see him coming in and being a distraction. He’s got too much on the line. He wants a great season headed into UFA and he wants to make Team Sweden.

As for making room, the cap hit shouldn’t be an issue particularly if the Flames retain, which I bet they will.
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Old 07-08-2025, 02:58 PM   #1045
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Eh, Byram is 24 years old and really just an offensive defenseman in the grand scheme of things. Does he play over Parekh in our hypothetical PP1 of the future? Probably not, at which point you're not going to get Byram's fully realized upside here either.

What would be more valuable than Byram is a Chris Tanev / Devon Toews type of D to pair with Parekh, which would be less expensive, both from a trade cost perspective and a cap perspective. Especially since we have a really offensive minded RD prospect in Brzustewicz who would also work best with a more complete partner, and Weegar despite being a right shot is very comfortable on the left side as well.
Yeah we need to be bigger on defense and Bryam doesn't help with that.

Big defense is what wins come playoff time. Outside of Bahl, Flames top defenders long term are not small but also not big.

Weegar: 6'0, 206
Bahl: 6'6", 230
Parekh: 6'0', 190
Brzstewicz: 6'0", 190
Morin: 6'1", 185
Mews: 6'1", 183

They have some bigger prospects in Kuznetsov, Solovoyov, and Grushnikov, but they all look to top out 6/7 guys at the NHL level:

A big LH dman that can play top 4 minutes is more of a need than Byram I think...unless you think Byram has true number 1 d-man potential...which I'm less certain of. Kind of looks like he was carried by Dahlin.
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Yeah we need to be bigger on defense and Bryam doesn't help with that.

Big defense is what wins come playoff time. Outside of Bahl, Flames top defenders long term are not small but also not big.

Weegar: 6'0, 206
Bahl: 6'6", 230
Parekh: 6'0', 190
Brzstewicz: 6'0", 190
Morin: 6'1", 185
Mews: 6'1", 183

They have some bigger prospects in Kuznetsov, Solovoyov, and Grushnikov, but they all look to top out 6/7 guys at the NHL level:

A big LH dman that can play top 4 minutes is more of a need than Byram I think...unless you think Byram has true number 1 d-man potential...which I'm less certain of. Kind of looks like he was carried by Dahlin.
Byram was 215 at the end of last season and still filling out. So not tiny.
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Old 07-08-2025, 03:03 PM   #1047
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Just seeing some tweets now that today on Barn Burner, Boomer confirmed the Flames were willing to give up their 2026 1st but balked at Byram's asking price?

Anyone else see/hear this today? I haven't listened yet.
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Maybe they aren’t signing zary because they figure he’s gone in this trade.
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Just seeing some tweets now that today on Barn Burner, Boomer confirmed the Flames were willing to give up their 2026 1st but balked at Byram's asking price?

Anyone else see/hear this today? I haven't listened yet.
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Yes, they reported we were willing to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to sign Byram to an offer sheet. But he wanted too much money.

Another bullet dodged.
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I think this is one of the rumours I'll choose to dismiss because if it's true they tried to send a McKenna lottery ball for Bowen goddamned Byram I'm not going to be able to keep lying to myself that it's a new day and direction for Calgary under Conroy.

I still believe the other rumours though, the ones that make us look smart and good. Those rumours are true.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1942694020112949679

I think Conroy has done a good job thus far but some of these "rumoured" moves are troubling to say the least.

Let's just hope they were in fact rumours.
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So that means if Byram would have accepted a deal with an AAV between $7,020,114 - $9,360,153, he would be Flames property, I guess?

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To me that sounds like it wasn't an offer sheet but that the Sabres knew that the offer sheet was a risk and were just asking for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd to try to control things a bit / maybe replace picks with a roster player.

Problem being teams probably didn't actually want to pay $8.5M plus for Byram.
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Old 07-08-2025, 03:24 PM   #1057
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Vague yet upsetting! Oh well. Don't live in that alternate reality, thankfully.
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I think Conroy has done a good job thus far but some of these "rumoured" moves are troubling to say the least.

Let's just hope they were in fact rumours.
Sounds like a team direction that saw it being a tie breaker away from the playoffs and wanting some of that playoff moolah being very close.

2017 Travis Hamonic vibes being attempted.

2024-25 Flames had 96 points to the 2016-17 Flames 94 points.

We should indeed be very concerned
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I think Conroy has done a good job thus far but some of these "rumoured" moves are troubling to say the least.

Let's just hope they were in fact rumours.
Everyone needs to just chill. Doesn’t say which 2026 first we were allegedly ready to include. Could be the Vegas pick.

Besides, Buffalo wants roster players. So small wonder they balked. And for tbr offer sheet, it’s negotiation. Just like Carolina and Miller.
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