[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Yes, I agree it's fair to be concerned. But why stress out about something might or might not happen?

Some people just need to be negative.

Life is more fun when it's 'glass half full'. Life is too short.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by questionmotives

Anything else?

1. Who in the system or in free agency could possibly replace the 104 points + everything else that Tkachuk brought?

2. Team is still tight on cap space and as we’ve heard and seen, moving money has proved to be difficult for a lot of teams this offseason. Improving the team will be difficult without cap space.

3. Training camp would be ideal, but in reality, it might take longer which is what makes a one year rental piece very risky. There’s new coaches, new systems, new environment and everything else that comes into play too.

4. What bias? I like Darryl. But there’s no doubt he’s abrasive. Didn’t you hear Gaudreau on Spittin Chiclets talk about how angry Darryl was all the time and how much crap he’d break? Ironically, Johnny still liked him though. But still, we don’t know how a guy coming from Andrew Brunette will react to an old school guy like Darryl.

5. If this team is fully entrenched into a playoff race, which I suspect that’s where they will be. I’m not so sure Treliving trades them. He didn’t trade Gaudreau. Treliving is win mode now, that’s why he also signed Zadorov. If he was in rebuild mode, then he would’ve traded Tkachuk for all futures.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Absolutely dominant two-way player for Florida with and without Ekblad over the last few seasons.

44 points last year without any meaningful PP time whatsoever and leading Florida in 5v5 ice-time per game by a mile.

Every single one of the signs of 28-year-old Giordano being on the cusp of becoming a 1D are also there with Weegar. Every single one.

Was he getting the #### end of the stick, or is he a hand grenade on the line?

[Snuffleupagus]

Not a big fan of Treliving's work but this one was good and as long as he doesn't let Huberdeau and Weegar walk for nothing it borders on the best Flames trade ever!

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

simply because it just happened the the organization's most important player since Iginla.

I know it's easy to say the team will do everything it can to avoid that scenario again, but I worry that they will prioritize making the playoffs above everything else.

May be you and I are in different time in life in general, I like it that they prioritize making the playoff above everything else because I don't think I'll still be here to see the fruit of their rebuild.

[Heavy Jack]

Valji speculating Kylington could be on the move but I’d lean more towards Valimaki getting packaged with Lucic to open up more room

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550737015322415104

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550737041847115779

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550737057789739009

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Are they better than when they lost in round 2? If we're going to try and compete, that's all that matters

They replaced a 160 Lb 115 point winger with a 200 lb 115 point winger.

The defense is better with Weegar than Gudbranson.

They added a 1st, and a centre prospect with size.

Bradagast may roll around covered in pigeon ####, but this is one of those wizard trades of his.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Yes, I agree it's fair to be concerned. But why stress out about something might or might not happen?

Why stress out cause someone posted some words?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

1. Who in the system or in free agency could possibly replace the 104 points + everything else that Tkachuk brought?

2. Team is still tight on cap space and as we’ve heard and seen, moving money has proved to be difficult for a lot of teams this offseason. Improving the team will be difficult without cap space.

3. Training camp would be ideal, but in reality, it might take longer which is what makes a one year rental piece very risky. There’s new coaches, new systems, new environment and everything else that comes into play too.

4. What bias? I like Darryl. But there’s no doubt he’s abrasive. Didn’t you hear Gaudreau on Spittin Chiclets talk about how angry Darryl was all the time and how much crap he’d break? Ironically, Johnny still liked him though. But still, we don’t know how a guy coming from Andrew Brunette will react to an old school guy like Darryl.

5. If this team is fully entrenched into a playoff race, which I suspect that’s where they will be. I’m not so sure Treliving trades them. He didn’t trade Gaudreau. Treliving is win mode now, that’s why he also signed Zadorov. If he was in rebuild mode, then he would’ve traded Tkachuk for all futures.

You realize Huby and Wegar's cap hit combined is lower than what Tkachuk signed for right?

[TheScorpion]

I don't think it makes any sense to trade Kylington after this.

You need guys with his speed and dynamic ability.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

May be you and I are in different time in life in general, I like it that they prioritize making the playoff above everything else because I don't think I'll still be here to see the fruit of their rebuild.

Well that is sad to hear and I can appreciate your position.

[questionmotives]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

1. Who in the system or in free agency could possibly replace the 104 points + everything else that Tkachuk brought?

2. Team is still tight on cap space and as we’ve heard and seen, moving money has proved to be difficult for a lot of teams this offseason. Improving the team will be difficult without cap space.

3. Training camp would be ideal, but in reality, it might take longer which is what makes a one year rental piece very risky. There’s new coaches, new systems, new environment and everything else that comes into play too.

4. What bias? I like Darryl. But there’s no doubt he’s abrasive. Didn’t you hear Gaudreau on Spittin Chiclets talk about how angry Darryl was all the time and how much crap he’d break? Ironically, Johnny still liked him though. But still, we don’t know how a guy coming from Andrew Brunette will react to an old school guy like Darryl.

5. If this team is fully entrenched into a playoff race, which I suspect that’s where they will be. I’m not so sure Treliving trades them. He didn’t trade Gaudreau. Treliving is win mode now, that’s why he also signed Zadorov. If he was in rebuild mode, then he would’ve traded Tkachuk for all futures.

You suspect, a lot.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

because Brad knocked it out of the park and some people can't handle how wrong they were lol

An animal fights hardest when backed into a corner.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You realize Huby and Wegar's cap hit combined is lower than what Tkachuk signed for right?

With Mangi and Kylington signing for say 5.5 AAV and 3.5 AAV all if the sudden the cap is creeping up. Like I said earlier though I think Lucic gets dealt with Valimaki as the sweetener to open up more space to be aggressive.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

1. Who in the system or in free agency could possibly replace the 104 points + everything else that Tkachuk brought?

2. Team is still tight on cap space and as we’ve heard and seen, moving money has proved to be difficult for a lot of teams this offseason. Improving the team will be difficult without cap space.

3. Training camp would be ideal, but in reality, it might take longer which is what makes a one year rental piece very risky. There’s new coaches, new systems, new environment and everything else that comes into play too.

4. What bias? I like Darryl. But there’s no doubt he’s abrasive. Didn’t you hear Gaudreau on Spittin Chiclets talk about how angry Darryl was all the time and how much crap he’d break? Ironically, Johnny still liked him though. But still, we don’t know how a guy coming from Andrew Brunette will react to an old school guy like Darryl.

5. If this team is fully entrenched into a playoff race, which I suspect that’s where they will be. I’m not so sure Treliving trades them. He didn’t trade Gaudreau. Treliving is win mode now, that’s why he also signed Zadorov. If he was in rebuild mode, then he would’ve traded Tkachuk for all futures.

Who was the last non abrasive coach to win? The only reason Gulutzan has a job is because some people wear sweatpants with good shoes.

[dino7c]

I can now cheer for team Canada at the Olympics or World Cup again!

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't see what people don't like about this.


Out:
Tkachuk, 4th round pick 2025


In:
Huberdeau (5.9AAV)
Weegar (3.25AAV)
Schwindt (prospect)
1st round pick 2025


Flames competing:
They replaced their top line winger with a more offensive top line winger who also makes players around him better, and is faster, plus a top pairing defencemen for the same cap hit as Tkachuk. Weegar might play on the second pairing anyway I think, but the Flames got better defensively, and at worse, a wash as compared to having Tkachuk there.


Don't forget about the 1st (2025 is a way's away, but still a 1st) + Schwindt who seems to be tracking well.


If Huberdeau and Weegar do not want to re-sign here, then:
Weegar can fetch a 1st at the deadline - maybe a 1st plus a B prospect.
Huberdeau can fetch at minimum - MINIMUM - a 1st + whatever team's BEST prospect that's not on the team.


5.9AAV on Huberdeau. At the deadline it will be what? 2 million? Heck, what do you think Calgary can get for Huberdeau right now as a rental? 2 firsts and a prospect I bet if Calgary retains 50%. How interested would Colorado be in acquiring Huberdeau for 2.95? Tampa? Just about anyone would fall over themselves trying to acquire Huberdeau if they have cup aspirations.


This is the equivalent of trading Tkachuk for 4 1sts + prospect (and probably plus something else).


Does this make the Flames a contender again? Well, I would like to see what else they grab. Let's not forget that this is another year, so maybe Pelletier is ready. Maybe Ruzicka has worked his butt off this off-season and really has a great year. Flames have cap room (and maybe they trade Lucic still, plus with players going to arbitration, it will open up a 2nd buy-out window so they can potentially make more cap by buying out Monahan if nobody takes him and the Flames have to unload him).


This is a fantastic trade. Both for the "Win now" crowd, and the "Rebuild crowd" too - it really is a win-win here. Hopefully Huberdeau and Weegar both extend. If not, I would expect Treliving to trade them by the deadline. As long as they don't leave as UFAs, I am happy either way. The only risk is injury.


Really wouldn't surprise me, however, to see them both re-signed.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You realize Huby and Wegar's cap hit combined is lower than what Tkachuk signed for right?

That blurb was some 4D closet oilering.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

With Mangi and Kylington signing for say 5.5 AAV and 3.5 AAV all if the sudden the cap is creeping up. Like I said though I think Lucic gets dealt with Valimaki as the sweetener to open up more space to be aggressive.

sure, but if Tkachuk signed here...same problmem, no Weegar

this trade has 100% helped the cap situation THIS season

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