[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[icarus]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

It is quite amusing to read Bruins fan reaction as the trade unfolded. Eerily similar to how Flames fans reacted to the Phaneuf trade.

Probably also eerily similar to when the Bruins traded Joe Thornton.

I woke up this morning to a text from my buddy, a Bruins fan: "Wake me up from this Don Sweeney nightmare"

[devo22]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

It is quite amusing to read Bruins fan reaction as the trade unfolded. Eerily similar to how Flames fans reacted to the Phaneuf trade.

if you go to the Bruins subforum on hfboards, the first page includes threads like:

* Anyone still believe Chiarelli was the problem?
* What is Sweeney doing?
* Zach Senyshyn who are you?
* Chiarelli come back
* Can we do sarcastic avatars?
* Do B's have the worst D in league now?

I honestly feel for them. Their management has completely lost it.

[FireGilbert]

It is hard to compare Phaneuf, who was under contract and traded in a desperate move for depth, to RFA Hamilton being traded for draft picks but I can see how Boston fans would have similar feelings about the return. The Bruins did get an okay return though when you consider the possibility of an offer sheet but I do not understand why they had to let Hamilton go in the first place.

The Bruins seem to be doing a really odd rebuild. You would expect them to try and move older players for pennies on the dollar and hold onto a young core but they are doing the opposite by trading Hamilton. The plan must be to rebuild by trading the most valuable pieces while using the existing veterans to be mentors for a very young team. I do not see this going well. It won't be Oilers bad but will not be a quick or pleasant rebuild.

[devo22]

I still can't wrap my head around what happened yesterday. Treliving really managed to get a 22 year old stud defenseman without giving up roster players and blue chip prospects ... how is that even possible? It defies any logic and I still have to pinch myself.

Plus, Hamilton really checks all the boxes. If you laid out the criteria for the "missing" defenseman on the Flames blueline, you'd get Dougie Hamilton. Adding him to the already fantastic D corps just feels unreal. A blueline of Giordano-Hamilton, Brodie-Wideman and Russell-Engelland ... wow. Lots of balance (even L-R!) and options for Bob to spread out the minutes.

In all of this, I still don't get what Sweeney was trying to do. Even if we ignore the obviously flawed process (better pick offers etc), I don't understand the idea of trading him in the first place. Re-signing Hamilton had to be their offseason priority, period. I don't buy the cash-strapped argument - you can go over the cap during the offseason, no problem. And if you need to make cap room to get it done, you ship out a couple of the older players ... you know, like Milan Lucic. Trading him after trading Hamilton made even less sense because that trade would have helped re-sign Hamilton. It's a head scratcher, really. What are they doing? Is this a rebuild? Can you call it a rebuild when you trade your 22 year old stud defenseman?

Yesterday, the stars aligned for the Flames and the hockey gods wore Flames jerseys. I have no other explanation.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by devo22

I still can't wrap my head around what happened yesterday. Treliving really managed to get a 22 year old stud defenseman without giving up roster players and blue chip prospects ... how is that even possible? It defies any logic and I still have to pinch myself.

Plus, Hamilton really checks all the boxes. If you laid out the criteria for the "missing" defenseman on the Flames blueline, you'd get Dougie Hamilton. Adding him to the already fantastic D corps just feels unreal. A blueline of Giordano-Hamilton, Brodie-Wideman and Russell-Engelland ... wow. Lots of balance (even L-R!) and options for Bob to spread out the minutes.

In all of this, I still don't get what Sweeney was trying to do. Even if we ignore the obviously flawed process (better pick offers etc), I don't understand the idea of trading him in the first place. Re-signing Hamilton had to be their offseason priority, period. I don't buy the cash-strapped argument - you can go over the cap during the offseason, no problem. And if you need to make cap room to get it done, you ship out a couple of the older players ... you know, like Milan Lucic. Trading him after trading Hamilton made even less sense because that trade would have helped re-sign Hamilton. It's a head scratcher, really. What are they doing? Is this a rebuild? Can you call it a rebuild when you trade your 22 year old stud defenseman?

Yesterday, the stars aligned for the Flames and the hockey gods wore Flames jerseys. I have no other explanation.

I agree with your post almost 100%, except for the Flames didn't give up a blue chip prospect. IMO they did.

This might just be arguing semantics, but giving up the opportunity to draft a Barzal or Connor in my mind is the same thing as giving up a blue chip prospect. I think it would have been hard to argue drafting one of those guys would not have made them instantly one of the Flames best prospects. Both have elite potential.

Don't get me wrong, would be happy to trade them for a proven 22 year old RH shooting franchise d-man, but the Flames did give up quality in this trade.

[Da_Chief]

I'm glad there were no names attached to the assets they gave away. We could've picked anyone but now I won't be sad to see anyone go.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by devo22

In all of this, I still don't get what Sweeney was trying to do. Even if we ignore the obviously flawed process (better pick offers etc), I don't understand the idea of trading him in the first place. Re-signing Hamilton had to be their offseason priority, period. I don't buy the cash-strapped argument - you can go over the cap during the offseason, no problem. And if you need to make cap room to get it done, you ship out a couple of the older players ... you know, like Milan Lucic. Trading him after trading Hamilton made even less sense because that trade would have helped re-sign Hamilton. It's a head scratcher, really. What are they doing? Is this a rebuild? Can you call it a rebuild when you trade your 22 year old stud defenseman?

What's even stranger is what he ended up doing with the picks. Trading away quality veterans and young studs for picks is fine if you're going to get some great young pieces to build around, but they reached on all their picks. The proper strategy should have been to take the two players most likely to reach the NHL at 13 and 14, and then go for a reach on an extremely talented player with holes in his game at 15. Instead, they went for...god knows. Zboril was a decent pick, but the other two are very questionable. Especially considering who was still available at the time.

For years, Bruins fans are going to be looking back at this day as their new "Black Friday".

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

What's even stranger is what he ended up doing with the picks.

yup. When they were on the clock, I thought "well, if they walk away with Barzal, Connor and Zboril now, it's not THAT bad". They really needed to nail those picks after making those trades, but they instead chose to reach for guys that would have been available later. If you like DeBrusk and Senyshyn so much, you can still f.e. choose Barzal and Zboril at 13 and 14 and then trade 15 for two later picks. But making the picks like that was the final nail in their draft day coffin.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I agree with your post almost 100%, except for the Flames didn't give up a blue chip prospect. IMO they did.

This might just be arguing semantics, but giving up the opportunity to draft a Barzal or Connor in my mind is the same thing as giving up a blue chip prospect. I think it would have been hard to argue drafting one of those guys would not have made them instantly one of the Flames best prospects. Both have elite potential.

Don't get me wrong, would be happy to trade them for a proven 22 year old RH shooting franchise d-man, but the Flames did give up quality in this trade.

Both would have lept past Poirier on our depth chart instantly.

[868904]

I'm really not sold on Barzal, when scouts throw around the descriptors like "lacking intensity" and "perimeter player", you can understand why he dropped.

Connor n the other hand is surprising for him to drop and the Jets prospect pool just got even stronger, easily the best I'm the league.

It really comes down to Hamilton versus Connor, both are great assets but the flames had a bigger need for a premier defenseman plus he's already established.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I agree with your post almost 100%, except for the Flames didn't give up a blue chip prospect. IMO they did.

This might just be arguing semantics, but giving up the opportunity to draft a Barzal or Connor in my mind is the same thing as giving up a blue chip prospect. I think it would have been hard to argue drafting one of those guys would not have made them instantly one of the Flames best prospects. Both have elite potential.

Don't get me wrong, would be happy to trade them for a proven 22 year old RH shooting franchise d-man, but the Flames did give up quality in this trade.

I disagree. We didn't trade Barzal or Connor. We traded the 15th overall pick. In the end there was the opportunity to draft one of those players, but we can't know if the Flames would have drafted either of them - the Bruins didn't, after all.

We got a roster player with 3 years of NHL experience and sent lottery tickets back for it. It's an incredible trade.

[red sky]

So what does this do to the PP units? How is DH's shot, one timer, etc? Hamilton + Giordano for the first unit and Wideman and Brodie for the second unit?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by red sky

So what does this do to the PP units? How is DH's shot, one timer, etc? Hamilton + Giordano for the first unit and Wideman and Brodie for the second unit?

He led the Bruins defence in PP goals (5) and points (15) last season. Those numbers would have been second on the Flames, behind Wideman in both categories.

He was second on the Bruins in PP ice time, just 7 seconds per game behind Krug.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by red sky

So what does this do to the PP units? How is DH's shot, one timer, etc? Hamilton + Giordano for the first unit and Wideman and Brodie for the second unit?

Yes. That's what I'd do.

Gio/Hamilton
Brodie/Wideman

Maybe swap Russell in there for Brodie sometimes.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Dreger said in SC that Arizona offered their 2016 1st round pick for Hamilton.

Seems odd that Boston would reject a pick that would have a high probability of being top 5.

Faced with compensation packages that kick in next year. Looks to me like the Bruins kicked up trade talks to get picks this year for both Lucic and Hamilton so they could start the rebuild right now with numerous bodies.

Sort of a page out of the Flames book by getting Monahan, Poirier, Klimchuk, Bennett, then fortuitously Gaudreau all in the 12 month range.

Doesn't explain why they shafted Edmonton vs Calgary but does explain why they wanted to move yesterday and not let the RFA process play out.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Yes. That's what I'd do.

Gio/Hamilton
Brodie/Wideman

Maybe swap Russell in there for Brodie sometimes.

So Brodie playing 3rd pair sometimes? Hell no! I hope Morrisson has an impressive camp. Oh ya we have Hickey coming too.

In couple years..

Brodie-Hamilton
Gio-Morrison
Hickey-Whoever

Potential to be really good.

[AC]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...-entire-league

Let me just say what the reaction of hockey executives around the league was when they learned of Dougie Hamilton's trade to the Calgary Flames: "You’ve got to be kidding me," said one NHL general manager.

[red sky]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

So Brodie playing 3rd pair sometimes? Hell no! I hope Morrisson has an impressive camp. Oh ya we have Hickey coming too.

In couple years..

Brodie-Hamilton
Gio-Morrison
Hickey-Whoever

Potential to be really good.

We were discussing PP units.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by red sky

We were discussing PP units.

Sorry. My bad.

[Ashasx]

wrong thread