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Calgary4LIfe · 03-10-2015, 10:07 AM

I would prefer that if they move up, they are moving up to target a specific forward. Contrary to what most on the boards want, I know.

I would prefer them to keep all their picks and use a scatter-gun approach on D in the top 6 picks. Walking away with 4 defencemen will help out tremendously down the road.

Why? Well, so many elite defencemen are found outside the 1st round. I can go and list all the superstars that fit this argument, but one just needs to look at the top 4 on the Flames - the highest scoring top 4 in the league.

Undrafted - 4th round pick
3rd round pick (traded to the Flames for a 5th) - 8th round pick (went unsigned)

That is the Flames top 4 defencemen right there.

Given everyone's age, and including Wotherspoon who looks to be on the cusp of breaking into the NHL, the Flames can afford to be a bit more patient, and don't really need that blue-chip, high pedigree defencemen. Of course he would definitely be nice to have, but I just argue that it is not an immediate need for the organization.

nemanja2306 · 03-10-2015, 10:17 AM

Does anyone know where I can read up on prospects that are projected to go past the first round?

Might be wise since we have three 2nd's and two 3rd's..

ForeverFlameFan · 03-10-2015, 10:24 AM

If Kylington is a late 1st, I certainly hope we find a way to snag a late 1st to get him.

Gaskal · 03-10-2015, 10:27 AM

I also believe that Hickey and Rafikov are the next diamonds in the rough.

ForeverFlameFan · 03-10-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would prefer that if they move up, they are moving up to target a specific forward. Contrary to what most on the boards want, I know.

I would prefer them to keep all their picks and use a scatter-gun approach on D in the top 6 picks. Walking away with 4 defencemen will help out tremendously down the road.

Why? Well, so many elite defencemen are found outside the 1st round. I can go and list all the superstars that fit this argument, but one just needs to look at the top 4 on the Flames - the highest scoring top 4 in the league.

Undrafted - 4th round pick
3rd round pick (traded to the Flames for a 5th) - 8th round pick (went unsigned)

That is the Flames top 4 defencemen right there.

Given everyone's age, and including Wotherspoon who looks to be on the cusp of breaking into the NHL, the Flames can afford to be a bit more patient, and don't really need that blue-chip, high pedigree defencemen. Of course he would definitely be nice to have, but I just argue that it is not an immediate need for the organization.

Quoted for emphasis. You don't find too many quality forwards in the later rounds, so even though most of us want that blue chip defenseman, I think we'll be able to find one of them in the 2nd round.

codynw · 03-10-2015, 10:29 AM

Why is Kylington dropping so far on all of these lists? Was he not consistently projected to be a top 10 pick earlier in the year?

Robbob · 03-10-2015, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If Kylington is a late 1st, I certainly hope we find a way to snag a late 1st to get him.

A little concerned he keeps dropping like a rock in the rankings.

sureLoss · 03-10-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Why is Kylington dropping so far on all of these lists? Was he not consistently projected to be a top 10 pick earlier in the year?

Apparently he was really bad at the 5 nations cup and hasn't been real noticeable on the multiple teams that he has played on this season in Sweden.

Like I said earlier in this thread, his drop off is very much like Roland McKeown who at one point was considered the best d-man after Ekblad but ended up falling to the late 2nd round.

DJones · 03-10-2015, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would prefer that if they move up, they are moving up to target a specific forward. Contrary to what most on the boards want, I know.

I would prefer them to keep all their picks and use a scatter-gun approach on D in the top 6 picks. Walking away with 4 defencemen will help out tremendously down the road.

Why? Well, so many elite defencemen are found outside the 1st round. I can go and list all the superstars that fit this argument, but one just needs to look at the top 4 on the Flames - the highest scoring top 4 in the league.

Undrafted - 4th round pick
3rd round pick (traded to the Flames for a 5th) - 8th round pick (went unsigned)

That is the Flames top 4 defencemen right there.

Given everyone's age, and including Wotherspoon who looks to be on the cusp of breaking into the NHL, the Flames can afford to be a bit more patient, and don't really need that blue-chip, high pedigree defencemen. Of course he would definitely be nice to have, but I just argue that it is not an immediate need for the organization.

Exactly my thoughts. Drafting four defensemen would also allow Trevling and Burke to get their big guys but then have room to get some higher skilled but smaller guys.

JJ1532 · 03-10-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

A little concerned he keeps dropping like a rock in the rankings.

I'm not bothered by any other scouting reports than the Flames. If for example he is projected to go in the mid 2nds but our scouts feel he is worth our 1st then so be it.

I would also agree with those who want to keep all our 1-3 round picks and draft numbers, unless of course an outstanding prospect stands out to them enough that they want to move up. The one thing I don't us to do is to flip a 2nd or 3rd for a bottom 6 forward/3rd pairing defencemen. I think Treliving knows he underestimated the quality of the roster we had last June(not blaming him, we all did), hence why he signed Engelland and got Bollig for a 3rd. But we now have enough players to fill the bottom roles a couple of times over. What we need is to start targeting players(in the draft that is) who can potentially make the top 4 and top 6 respectively.

sureLoss · 03-10-2015, 01:26 PM

Kyle Woodlief- Red line report
March 10 - 630 CHED

have to go back to 2004 and 2005 to see a draft that has a top end like 2015.

McDavid has the explosiveness of Crosby and the maturity and leadership of Toews - going to put up the points and be a leader
if he hadn't had the injury his point totals would probably the highest in the OHL in the last 20 years

little chance Eichel goes ahead of McDavid
plays a more robust physical style than McDavid, similar in size to McDavid but plays a little more physical

no debate Hanifin is #3 - many years were he would be 1st OA
as good as Ekblad last year
Bouwmeester is a good comparable in terms of skating and size
Hanfin has more natural offensive instincts than Bouwmeester, should put up more points in the NHL

#4 Marner - compare him to Pat Kane (not as good as Kane. stylistic comparison)

#5 Rantanen is rising up the charts

#6 Strome
foot speed is a bit of an issue.
could prevent him from being #1 center in the NHL, should be a really good #2. he isn't a bad skater, but it isn't explosive.
even with added leg strength, won't be a great skater.
Draisaitl is a better prospect than Strome in his opinion.

Crouse - #11 for Red line report
legitimate question if he is going to be a scorer in NHL
comparable to Nick Ritchie - Crouse is a better skater and has better work ethic than Ritchie
don't see him as a 1st line winger, could be a 2nd line winger... if he doesn't score enough could be a 3rd liner
safe pick

Provorov - #10 for red line report
just a smart defencman
impacts the game at both ends of the rink
great on the PP
logs great minutes - sees him playing 25 minutes a night in the NHL
didn't see him as a top 10 guy until december when he started playing out of his mind
his development curve hasn't plateaued, just keeps going up

Jansen Harkins
thinks he is the sleeper of the whole draft
faster with the puck on his stick
could see him going in the top 10 of this draft

Monahan23 · 03-10-2015, 01:38 PM

I'd like to move uo and get Provorov, Werenski, Meier or Konecny

GioforPM · 03-10-2015, 01:40 PM

I still like Provorov but I am biased because I saw him play (and he was very very good, like a man among boys).

dammage79 · 03-10-2015, 01:42 PM

Kind of had a feeling that Rantanen was going to rise really high. His WJC effort brought a lot of focus onto him.

dammage79 · 03-10-2015, 02:55 PM

The way this 1st round list is shaping up, Brandon Carlo is the guy I want.

How many people if it came down to Kylington or Carlo would you want the Flames to take? The slider (Kylington) or the guy who hasn't risen or fallen (Carlo)?

ForeverFlameFan · 03-10-2015, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

The way this 1st round list is shaping up, Brandon Carlo is the guy I want.

How many people if it came down to Kylington or Carlo would you want the Flames to take? The slider (Kylington) or the guy who hasn't risen or fallen (Carlo)?

It'd be interesting if we picked Carlo in the 1st round and Parker in the 2nd/3rd round. Two Tri-City American players, not sure if they play on the same line though.

RyZ · 03-10-2015, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

The way this 1st round list is shaping up, Brandon Carlo is the guy I want.

How many people if it came down to Kylington or Carlo would you want the Flames to take? The slider (Kylington) or the guy who hasn't risen or fallen (Carlo)?

Carlo seems to be ranked in the low to mid 20's on most draft lists and might not even be a 1st rounder if he wasn't 6'5. Personally, for me, he wouldn't be on the list of guys I'm hoping the Flames draft, likely in the 14-17ish range.

I'm not even set on a Dman in the 1st round. I'm not ready to pass up on a good forward to go looking for D just because we want a D in the 1st round. We could go ahead and draft 2-3 Dmen in the 2nd round and I would be happy with that.

If we are to assume that Hanifin, Provorov and Werenski were all gone when we pick and we absolutely needed to draft a Dman I would rather look at Kylington, Chabot, Zboril or Roy. I just think that Carlo has a limited offensive skill set and looks to be Steve Stantini like defensive Dman prospect.....not what Im looking for in a 1st round pick.

I'd rather take a Merkley, Meier or Svechnikov if they are available.

Robbob · 03-10-2015, 03:50 PM

Could always trade down and pick up another 2nd. So we are around 16 for our first. Trading back to 20 to get a 2nd tier dman and an additional 2nd rounder. That is if a Dman in the first is a priority. I would prefer to trade up for Provorov or Werenski if they slide at all.

Caged Great · 03-10-2015, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Does anyone know where I can read up on prospects that are projected to go past the first round?

Might be wise since we have three 2nd's and two 3rd's..

I will be doing some articles on the prospects deeper in the draft in April/May. I am prepping a bunch of them now.

Bar-Down · 03-10-2015, 07:53 PM

RW Nick Merkley currently ranked #17, right around where we could be picking.

Would anyone be interested? Calgary kid who has put up 85 points in 66 games in the WHL. Also a RW, which we need.

Or how about trading up to get Lawson Crouse. Big body who puts up points. Trade up for him and take d-men with the rest of our 2nd and 3rd round picks..