General Ongoing Coyotes saga thread

[troutman]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is looking at it from a humanity point of view. Why should taxpayers be overburdened to keep a team that they don't want? I feel for the people of Glendale, they are being made to financially support a team they don't care for. It also does effect every fanbase because it is better for the NHL and for all other franchises to have that team in a healthy market.

One might question why the hobby and low ticket prices for a small cult following of hockey fans in the Valley should be subsidized by the citizens of Glendale (who largely don't care about NHL hockey).

Unfortunately, COG decided to build Jobbing and Westgate, and now they have to decide on which path will lead to the least losses.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is looking at it from a humanity point of view. Why should taxpayers be overburdened to keep a team that they don't want? I feel for the people of Glendale, they are being made to financially support a team they don't care for. It also does effect every fanbase because it is better for the NHL and for all other franchises to have that team in a healthy market.

If this is truly your feeling, then you should probably be supporting the NHL staying as it appears that it will cost the citizens of Glendale MORE if the team leaves than if it stays if the analysis is correct.

uh oh.

[troutman]

Meeting is going to a 30 minute break. I can't stick around for updates.

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[afc wimbledon]

Actually goverment subsidies of any sports teams in N America affect us all, if Glendale continues to shovel money off the back of a truck as they have been doing then the other teams will both expect and use the example as leverage when it comes to them wanting money from us.
The NFL has turned screwing over cities and states to fund their league into an art form the cosa nostra would be proud of

[Jojado]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Winnipeg remained in the Southeast division and - hypothetically - Quebec were in the Pacific division in the same season?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If this is truly your feeling, then you should probably be supporting the NHL staying as it appears that it will cost the citizens of Glendale MORE if the team leaves than if it stays if the analysis is correct.

And this is something I've never understood - how can the citizens of Glendale lose more if the team leaves? No one supports the team in the first place, so it has no real value... anywhere.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Muta

And this is something I've never understood - how can the citizens of Glendale lose more if the team stays? No one supports the team in the first place, so it has no real value... anywhere.

Apparently....they cant.

Best case scenario for the citizens of Glendale is have the team remain now, and hope there is deal in the near future that is lucrative enough for the Jamison gang to break the lease and pay the 200 million or whatever it is to move.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by pylon

At the end of the day you are right, it has no impact on me, and neither does it on 99% of the people in this thread, so I suppose we should just close the thread off to everyone but bouw and arrow.

What a stupid comment.

Good old Pylon, welcome back.

There are plenty of interesting issues surrounding the whole ordeal so there's a lot to discuss. I just don't understand the apparent anger some people seem to have and the open cheerleading for the team to be moved. You don't have a dog in the fight, why do you care to the point of considering it a slap in the face?

[tjinaz]

Actually goverment subsidies of any sports teams in N America affect us all, if Glendale continues to shovel money off the back of a truck as they have been doing then the other teams will both expect and use the example as leverage when it comes to them wanting money from us.
The NFL has turned screwing over cities and states to fund their league into an art form the cosa nostra would be proud of

This has been happening for decades. What do you think buying a arena is? This happens for all major sports.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Attention, the following threads should be shut down according to valo403:

- Red Deer River Oil Spill
- Edmonton teacher suspended for giving zeros
- Toronto bans plastic bags
- Montreal student riots
- Zomby killed in Miami
- Human Foot Sent to Tory Headquarters

I would have expected others to come to such a conclusion, always pegged you for someone who wouldn't jump to those type of conclusions

There's plenty to discuss, just not sure why the existence of a team in Phoenix seems to offend people.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is looking at it from a humanity point of view. Why should taxpayers be overburdened to keep a team that they don't want? I feel for the people of Glendale, they are being made to financially support a team they don't care for. It also does effect every fanbase because it is better for the NHL and for all other franchises to have that team in a healthy market.

The taxpayers were overburdened long ago, now it's a matter of picking the best of two bad choices.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by valo403

Good old Pylon, welcome back.

There are plenty of interesting issues surrounding the whole ordeal so there's a lot to discuss. I just don't understand the apparent anger some people seem to have and the open cheerleading for the team to be moved. You don't have a dog in the fight, why do you care to the point of considering it a slap in the face?

I would have thought this was obvious, it is because it used to be Winnipegs team, and at the time they moved all the Canadian teams barring To' and the habs looked like they might be going south.
The move to Pheonix was fearfull for all Canadian hockey fans, to then have it turn out it was to a completely useless market that can't pay for it just makes it more annoying,its like having your buddys wife leave him for a complete prick thatturns out to be unemployed, smoke gib and beat the dog.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Apparently....they cant.

Best case scenario for the citizens of Glendale is have the team remain now, and hope there is deal in the near future that is lucrative enough for the Jamison gang to break the lease and pay the 200 million or whatever it is to move.

Sorry, changed the wording before right after you quoted me... "if the team leaves".

[Muta]

Originally Posted by valo403

Good old Pylon, welcome back.

There are plenty of interesting issues surrounding the whole ordeal so there's a lot to discuss. I just don't understand the apparent anger some people seem to have and the open cheerleading for the team to be moved. You don't have a dog in the fight, why do you care to the point of considering it a slap in the face?

I think the leniency here is starting to aggravate fans. Why is everyone trying so hard to save a sinking ship? There's NEW and BRIGHTER ships out there!

Hahaha, that actually sounds like Flames fans gripes with Feaster's attitude towards a re-build.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by valo403

Good old Pylon, welcome back.

There are plenty of interesting issues surrounding the whole ordeal so there's a lot to discuss. I just don't understand the apparent anger some people seem to have and the open cheerleading for the team to be moved. You don't have a dog in the fight, why do you care to the point of considering it a slap in the face?

It angers me there is a team in a City that doesn't give a flying f about it, when there are 5 Cities you could move the team to, right this second, that would support it 5 fold. It pisses me off when I am watching regular season games in Glendale, and there is an announced attendance of 13,000, and there is maybe 4000 in the stands like when you watch a Marlies or Heat game on community cable. It bothers me the NHL is cooking the books for some unknown reason, to keep this failure of a franchise afloat. It pisses me off that the NHL's reputation as a bush league 2nd tier sport, is augmented by the fact this travesty of an organization is somehow allowed to exist.

Is that good enough for you?

The Phoenix Coyotes cheapen the sport of Professional Hockey, and the NHL brand. Period. And the NHL basically holding this city, and it's citizens hostage, make the NHL look like a bunch of racketeers.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by pylon

The Phoenix Coyotes cheapen the sport of Professional Hockey, and the NHL brand. Period. And the NHL basically holding this city, and it's citizens hostage, make the NHL look like a bunch of racketeers.

I'm actually starting to think the NHL is valiantly trying to keep this franchise afloat, because it is their precious (by-gone) symbol from an era of southern-US expansion that did not yield the success they had hoped for.

I'm sure this is the feeling in Quebec City right now:




Is this an NHL pride issue? If not, what is it?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Muta

I think the leniency here is starting to aggravate fans. Why is everyone trying so hard to save a sinking ship? There's NEW and BRIGHTER ships out there!

I think this is it for sure. Why is there such an effort being made to keep the team there when we KNOW that there are much more lucrative markets available? Was the same effort given to QC and Winnepeg originally? I was pretty young at the time of their relocation so I don't know.

From what I remember, the Flames, EDM, QC and WIN all had to sell a certain number of seasons tickets to keep their team. Why isn't the same thing happening here?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Muta

I'm actually starting to think the NHL is valiantly trying to keep this franchise afloat, because it is their precious (by-gone) symbol from an era of southern-US expansion that did not yield the success they had hoped for.

I'm sure this is the feeling in Quebec City right now:




Is this an NHL pride issue? If not, what is it?

They arent an expansion team.

[atb]

You gotta think that this situation will impact any sports franchise looking to get a new arena built. I'm sure a lot of smart people looked at the Glendale arena deal when it was first built, and it must have made some sort of sense at the time for it to get approved. In hindsight it seems like a terrible decision which will have negative reprecussions for Glendale citizens for quite some time, regardless if the team stays or goes.

Wonder how this will impact the discussions in Calgary and Edmonton on arena deals.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by transplant99

They arent an expansion team.

Cool story, but yes, they did expand geographically into the southern US. I thought that was obvious.