07-01-2019, 02:00 PM
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#1041
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
At this stage, replacing Frolik with Ferland would be an acceptable change.
Still, not a significant upgrade on the 2nd line is disappointing.
If the flames bank on progression over last year's offence, i think they will be in for a rude awakening...
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If the Flames can dump Frolik and Stone (maybe buyout for him?) then sign Ferland for 3-3.5M for 2-4 years and trade Brodie for Kadri I would be happy with those moves.
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07-01-2019, 02:01 PM
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#1042
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Has Pontus Aberg signed yet?
I'd like the Flames to sign him for speedy RW depth.
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this is the one I'm hoping for, as well... if not, maybe Pominville or Williams on a cheap, 1-yr deal
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... Eakins' claims Gagne's line played Kessel's line even...
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Originally Posted by Hells Bells View Post
Yeah, Gagner's line was -4 and Kessel's was +4, so it all evened out.
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07-01-2019, 02:10 PM
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#1043
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12
^Is he reliable? I would like Ferland back for sure for the right price.
Then all we would need to do is trade Frolik, get Kadri in a trade and then dreams would come true.
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Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Kadri-Czarnik
Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Ryan-Jankowski
damn, that'd be too good and too deep to be true.
Frolik and Neal can't just be poofed away though.
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07-01-2019, 02:10 PM
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#1044
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Lifetime Suspension
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Bradley needs to fetch a winger and a good one with Hathaway on his way out. That line was important to their success in the second half.
Or do Brodie for Kadri already.
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07-01-2019, 02:11 PM
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#1045
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Kadri-Czarnik
Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Ryan-Jankowski
damn, that'd be too good and too deep to be true.
Frolik and Neal can't just be poofed away though.
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Our best RW by a country mile is on your third line
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07-01-2019, 02:13 PM
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#1046
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Our best RW by a country mile is on your third line
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Our best defensive RW by a country mile is on my shutdown line.
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07-01-2019, 02:14 PM
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#1047
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
Our best RW by a country mile is on your third line
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Phil Kessel was Pittsburgh's best RW.
Spreading talent throughout the lines is a good way to go.
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07-01-2019, 02:15 PM
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#1048
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Kadri-Czarnik
Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Ryan-Jankowski
damn, that'd be too good and too deep to be true.
Frolik and Neal can't just be poofed away though.
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It's hilarious you slot 78 point Lindholm down to the 3rd line. That's the 2nd or 3rd time youve done that in your mock line ups. Makes no sense. How in the 9 blue hell's does Czarnik of all people slot high than him. And then right off the top line replace by Ferland who NEVER and will likely ever succeed the way Lindholm has.
The Ferland stupidity is just that. Stupid.
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07-01-2019, 02:18 PM
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#1049
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Participant
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Originally Posted by dammage79
It's hilarious you slot 78 point Lindholm down to the 3rd line. That's the 2nd or 3rd time youve done that in your mock line ups. Makes no sense. How in the 9 blue hell's does Czarnik of all people slot high than him. And then right off the top line replace by Ferland who NEVER and will likely ever succeed the way Lindholm has.
The Ferland stupidity is just that. Stupid.
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Balanced lines? Multiple threats throughout the lineup?
Holy over-reaction. Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm would be an awesome line.
People get too hung up over slotting. Crosby plays with filler on his line every year. Doesn’t mean they’re the best wingers on the team or that the Crosby line is somehow not #1. Sometimes successful teams balance their lineup.
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07-01-2019, 02:20 PM
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#1050
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Scoring Winger
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What is with all the Ferland love? He's not a top line player at all and is incredibly streaky and injury prone.
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07-01-2019, 02:20 PM
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#1051
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Phil Kessel was Pittsburgh's best RW.
Spreading talent throughout the lines is a good way to go.
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My issue with the lineup is Czarnik in the top 6. He is a replacement level player at least out Neal there who has a history of top 6 production
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07-01-2019, 02:22 PM
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#1052
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Arthur Staple @StapeAthletic
Sounds like Anders Lee is nearing a deal... Wouldn't surprise me if he's back wearing the 'C' for the #Isles, but we shall see shortly
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07-01-2019, 02:26 PM
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#1053
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Balanced lines? Multiple threats throughout the lineup?
Holy over-reaction. Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm would be an awesome line.
People get too hung up over slotting. Crosby plays with filler on his line every year. Doesn’t mean they’re the best wingers on the team or that the Crosby line is somehow not #1. Sometimes successful teams balance their lineup.
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In this instance its blatantly misguided. There's no way that Ferland and Czarnik provide better production balance than having what was it, the 2nd or 3rd best line in hockey broken up, just because.
Using pittsburgh is equally misguided. Wheres our Malkin?
There's no scenario where the Flames find better success without that top line production unless there's a better or equal player than Lindholm coming in to help with that. Czarnik or Ferland or even Neal are not that. By a lengthy margin.
Last edited by dammage79; 07-01-2019 at 02:30 PM.
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07-01-2019, 02:27 PM
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#1054
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#1 Goaltender
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Somehow the Flames need to get a 2nd line offensive centre.
Hopefully that can happen if they are able to move out a veteran defenceman.
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07-01-2019, 02:30 PM
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#1055
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Participant
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Originally Posted by dammage79
In this instance its blatantly misguided. There's no way that Ferland and Czarnik proved better production balance that having whay was it, the 2nd or 3rd best line in hockey broken up, just because.
There's no scenario where the Flames find better success without that top line production unless there's a better or equal player than Lindholm coming in to help with that. Czarnik or Ferland or even Neal are not that. By a lengthy margin.
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Right, balancing sometimes means lowering the production of one line as a whole, while raising the production of another.
It’s not just because. You don’t need a player equal to Lindholm to create balance. That’s increasing the overall production by a lot, which would be ideal, but unfeasible. Seeing if balance can increase it a little bit, or spread out the scoring, is the obvious goal.
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07-01-2019, 02:31 PM
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#1056
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Ken Holland is on TSN. I think the Oilers bought these microphones at Dollar Tree.
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07-01-2019, 02:35 PM
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#1057
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Brick
Somehow the Flames need to get a 2nd line offensive centre.
Hopefully that can happen if they are able to move out a veteran defenceman.
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2C or 2RW. That's how they're gonna take another step forward. Offense dried up when line 1 wasn't clicking and Tkachuk can't elevate two streak middle six defence first guys on his own. Need to get him some help and we've needed that move for a year now.
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07-01-2019, 02:37 PM
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#1058
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Balanced lines? Multiple threats throughout the lineup?
Holy over-reaction. Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm would be an awesome line.
People get too hung up over slotting. Crosby plays with filler on his line every year. Doesn’t mean they’re the best wingers on the team or that the Crosby line is somehow not #1. Sometimes successful teams balance their lineup.
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Sure but you can’t play Monahan with filler like you can with Crosby
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07-01-2019, 02:39 PM
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#1059
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Right, balancing sometimes means lowering the production of one line as a whole, while raising the production of another.
It’s not just because. You don’t need a player equal to Lindholm to create balance. That’s increasing the overall production by a lot, which would be ideal, but unfeasible. Seeing if balance can increase it a little bit, or spread out the scoring, is the obvious goal.
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It's also about a style/role balance.
A Bennett-Backlund-Czarnik/Neal line would not be able to shut anyone down. So instead you have to ask Tkachuk-Kadri to take on tough matchups. Yes, they can do it, but the goal was to get Tkachuk away from checking the MacKinnons and such so that he can score on the Josts and such.
A Tkachuk - Kadri - Neal line would be overwhelmingly slowfooted on the wings. Czarnik's skillset is perfectly complementary to Tkachuk and we saw that last year when they played together, but Czarnik couldn't handle the tough checking duties assigned to the Backlund line.
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland was statistically not much worse than Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm at five on five. The numbers bear this out:
GMF
53.15% CF
59.19% GF
GML
54.05% CF
59.39% GF
If that's the "dropoff" for making another line much stronger... it's common sense.
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07-01-2019, 02:41 PM
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#1060
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Participant
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Sure but you can’t play Monahan with filler like you can with Crosby
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Gaudreau is hardly filler.
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