Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Monahammer]

The work camps would need doctors and nurses and whatever too. Those professions could work in the same service.

And it's not a gulag, there would be working standards. But it would make immigration here a difficult choice and IMO only people who truly wanted to be canadians would push through that. It would also give a sense of propriety, ownership, and joint struggle to the immigrants coming here and potentially bind them to the citizenship more than the current system.

[Monahammer]

Lol as if Canada is getting any Sundar Pichai's today. Have y'all been sleeping under rocks?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The work camps would need doctors and nurses and whatever too. Those professions could work in the same service.

And it's not a gulag, there would be working standards. But it would make immigration here a difficult choice and IMO only people who truly wanted to be canadians would push through that. It would also give a sense of propriety, ownership, and joint struggle to the immigrants coming here and potentially bind them to the citizenship more than the current system.

Oh! I see where you're coming from! Like a dedicated Work Camp of just Doctors and Nurses!

So we could ship the Elderly and sick there for 'care!'

We could put it on Baffin Island and just airdrop the infirm from the plane on the way by.

"The key is to roll!"

"If you see a Bear...I really dont know what to tell you. You dont have weapons and lets be honest...you're old and sick, you're not going to outrun it. But if you make it to the compound I've heard that Dr. Ranjeet is great!"

Good luuuuuuuuuuuuck..............oh that parachute is totally not opening.....

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yeah, that'll ensure Canada gets the best and brightest. I'm sure the ~70% of Canadian immigrants with post-secondary degrees would be dying to end up in a work camp that sounds more like a prison.

A return to indentured servitude is certainly an "idea".

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by aaronck

Quebec man who blamed wildfires on government pleads guilty to setting 14

https://canoe.com/news/national/queb...e-a1c8ab3f5810

Clearly he was set up by the government.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The work camps would need doctors and nurses and whatever too. Those professions could work in the same service.

And it's not a gulag, there would be working standards. But it would make immigration here a difficult choice and IMO only people who truly wanted to be canadians would push through that. It would also give a sense of propriety, ownership, and joint struggle to the immigrants coming here and potentially bind them to the citizenship more than the current system.

Have you seen what some people are willing to do to enter Canada/US/W. Europe?

I don't think the commitment of most would be an issue.

Also, yes, there will be highly educated and professional people who would not want to go to a work camp to show their "commitment" to the country; but, in reality, that isn't why Canada, and others, are chasing after these types of people. They are highly educated and high earners who can fill important and in-demand positions. It is as much of a benefit to have these types in Canada as it is for them to be here.

Finally, the commitment thing is a double standard. Being born in Canada relies on zero commitment to this country. If the government came to me tomorrow and said "hey Cappy, you must show your commitment to being in this country by going to work in a work camp for two years," sure as #### I am accepting the first position i can out of this god-forsaken country.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Have you seen what some people are willing to do to enter Canada/US/W. Europe?

I don't think the commitment of most would be an issue.

Also, yes, there will be highly educated and professional people who would not want to go to a work camp to show their "commitment" to the country; but, in reality, that isn't why Canada, and others, are chasing after these types of people. They are highly educated and high earners who can fill important and in-demand positions. It is as much of a benefit to have these types in Canada as it is for them to be here.

Finally, the commitment thing is a double standard. Being born in Canada relies on zero commitment to this country. If the government came to me tomorrow and said "hey Cappy, you must show your commitment to being in this country by going to work in a work camp for two years," sure as #### I am accepting the first position i can out of this god-forsaken country.

Not to argue the rest of your points, but many countries have mandatory military service, which wouldn't be all that different than this, and they are not "god-forsaken". Is military service a huge step from country-building?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not to argue the rest of your points, but many countries have mandatory military service, which wouldn't be all that different than this, and they are not "god-forsaken". Is military service a huge step from country-building?

Yeah! The second part of my proposal would be to offer the same contract to any canadian 18 year old finishing high school. You can come to a work camp too, get experience in a trade potentially, get working in a new place, find purpose, and force savings towards a downpayment. The benefit for canada is a massive and reduced cost labor pool for building infrastructure projects.

IMO we immediately get a negative, Gulag like mentality about programs like this, while in reality they can be properly run and managed to provide benefit to the participants.

[Geraldsh]

Military service without the guns - what could be more Canadian than that?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The work camps would need doctors and nurses and whatever too. Those professions could work in the same service.

And it's not a gulag, there would be working standards. But it would make immigration here a difficult choice and IMO only people who truly wanted to be canadians would push through that. It would also give a sense of propriety, ownership, and joint struggle to the immigrants coming here and potentially bind them to the citizenship more than the current system.

I am a migrant, I live on a street full of migrants in possibly one of the most multi-cultural cities in the world that has thrived economically because of it's migrant population and the drive and skills they brought, they are as committed to Canada as non-migrants, in most cases more so.

Maybe you should look at who is working their arse off to make this country work, who it is that fixes your car or picks up your garbage, this is a country of migrants, it is Canada's great strength

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Yamer

A return to indentured servitude is certainly an "idea".

You think every person working in retail, falling deeper into debt and barely able to make rent, isn't an indentured servant? Upward mobility is pretty much dead.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The work camps would need doctors and nurses and whatever too. Those professions could work in the same service.

And it's not a gulag, there would be working standards. But it would make immigration here a difficult choice and IMO only people who truly wanted to be canadians would push through that. It would also give a sense of propriety, ownership, and joint struggle to the immigrants coming here and potentially bind them to the citizenship more than the current system.

Also handy to chuck JWs in again.......

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

You think every person working in retail, falling deeper into debt and barely able to make rent, isn't an indentured servant? Upward mobility is pretty much dead.

There’s a number of legislative changes that could help address this issue which we should probably consider implementing before considering creating work camps.

Call your MLA(retail is provincially regulated) and tell them what you think

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not to argue the rest of your points, but many countries have mandatory military service, which wouldn't be all that different than this, and they are not "god-forsaken". Is military service a huge step from country-building?

If this country can sell the idea of mandatory military service to its citizens, then sure.

But we are not in the same geopolitical environment as South Korea, Israel, or carry the same geopolitical baggage as Austria or Switzerland.

Further, all countries with mandatory military service usually require this right out of high school. High School Cappy would be fine with this. Middle-aged Cappy being forced to surrender 2 years of my life and half a million in income to go take away someone's actual job ditch digging in the Yukon? no thanks, I'll take my talents elsewhere.

And if I, a red-blooded and indoctrinated Canadian, would do that (as have thousands of Canadians flock to other countries for higher paying jobs, lower costs of living, etc.) then why would a highly skilled immigrant do the same when they have no attachment to the country?

The point made about labour camps was to show "commitment" to the country; not nation-building as you so eloquently propagandized it.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yeah! The second part of my proposal would be to offer the same contract to any canadian 18 year old finishing high school. You can come to a work camp too, get experience in a trade potentially, get working in a new place, find purpose, and force savings towards a downpayment. The benefit for canada is a massive and reduced cost labor pool for building infrastructure projects.

IMO we immediately get a negative, Gulag like mentality about programs like this, while in reality they can be properly run and managed to provide benefit to the participants.

So we are paying people standard wages when they have zero experience in this type of work, while also providing room and board?

are they unionized? can they be fired for poor performance? what happens when they are fired? do they get deported?

Who is going to do the jobs that the immigrants were actually brought in to do while they go work up in these, sunshine gulags?

Why wouldnt we have these people contribute in ways they know best, and then hire qualified people to efficiently and cost-effectively undertake these projects?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Cape Breton University is over 75% foreign students in an area with limit service/part-time type jobs available for them.

Some of these institutions have no other reason to exist.



I think Canada is (in many cases) taking advantage of these students, not the other way around.

Don't get me f****** started. You don't know the half of it.

If you ever want to see an epic rant, but me a beer the next time I'm in Calgary.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Don't get me f****** started. You don't know the half of it.

If you ever want to see an epic rant, but me a beer the next time I'm in Calgary.

I dont know what you whacky Easterners get up to or do with beer...but no. Is this like some 'Hockey Hazing' thing?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know what you whacky Easterners get up to or do with beer...but no. Is this like some 'Hockey Hazing' thing?

You guys don't consume beer by boofing?

Then... ha... how... how do you consume beer?

That's how normal people consume it. Just ask Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Cape Breton University is over 75% foreign students in an area with limit service/part-time type jobs available for them.

Some of these institutions have no other reason to exist.



I think Canada is (in many cases) taking advantage of these students, not the other way around.

The only winners are the schools who treat it like a cash cow, and provinces which can skimp on the funding for schools.

And sure, some foreign students benefit from using it as a pathway to residency in a country with better opportunities. Some Canadian residents benefit from lower tuition. A lot of people in these groups get screwed though.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Cape Breton University is over 75% foreign students in an area with limit service/part-time type jobs available for them.

Some of these institutions have no other reason to exist.



I think Canada is (in many cases) taking advantage of these students, not the other way around.

Is it an accredited degree granting institution or is it like DeVry. Like if we are creating an educated work force while charging them full cost and getting 50 years of tax paying out of them that is about the best immigrant you can get. If it’s closer to human smuggling and having them work illegally to pay back loans from fake degrees then not so much.