2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Anything that gets us out of that Huberdeau contract, I think should at least be looked at. Huby ain’t the greatest skater in the world as it stands, so he may decline sharper than others as he gets older.

I'm not so sure skating is the factor which keeps players going longer. Jagr was a decent skater when young but old Jagr was slow as molasses. Pavelski was always a mediocre skater. Same with Thornton, who was a pass first guy like Huberdeau.

I think it's the high hockey-IQ guys who last, as long as they are fitness buffs (which I think Huberdeau is).

[gvitaly]

I wonder if a trade around Pelletier for Robertson might be something that helps both teams.

It would be similar to the Granlund for Shinkaruk trade the Flames made a while back.

PS: I'm still pretty high on Pelletier. Hopefully we'll see the guy that was a stud in the AHL 2 years ago, in this year's camp.

[TheIronMaiden]

What's the deal with Robertson. Another over hyped Leafs prospect?

[HighLifeMan]

Huberdeau is a prime bounce back candidate in the right situation, and let's be real.. ownership here isn't eating 33M to have Huberdeau play for another franchise. Additionally - there is less than 0% chance that Trouba waives his NTC for Calgary.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm not so sure skating is the factor which keeps players going longer. Jagr was a decent skater when young but old Jagr was slow as molasses. Pavelski was always a mediocre skater. Same with Thornton, who was a pass first guy like Huberdeau.

I think it's the high hockey-IQ guys who last, as long as they are fitness buffs (which I think Huberdeau is).

Yup, it's the guys that can keep making plays.

An old skater can be easily replaced with a younger (cheaper) skater. If you want to keep hanging around, you have to bring something to the table, and that's typically guys with high hockey IQ, who figure out how they can remain effective.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I wonder if a trade around Pelletier for Robertson might be something that helps both teams.

It would be similar to the Granlund for Shinkaruk trade the Flames made a while back.

PS: I'm still pretty high on Pelletier. Hopefully we'll see the guy that was a stud in the AHL 2 years ago, in this year's camp.

what number is he?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I wonder if a trade around Pelletier for Robertson might be something that helps both teams.

It would be similar to the Granlund for Shinkaruk trade the Flames made a while back.

PS: I'm still pretty high on Pelletier. Hopefully we'll see the guy that was a stud in the AHL 2 years ago, in this year's camp.

Same age, same size, same position, same performance numbers in the AHL. Both guys could use a fresh start.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm not so sure skating is the factor which keeps players going longer. Jagr was a decent skater when young but old Jagr was slow as molasses. Pavelski was always a mediocre skater. Same with Thornton, who was a pass first guy like Huberdeau.

I think it's the high hockey-IQ guys who last, as long as they are fitness buffs (which I think Huberdeau is).

Huberdeau seems to be losing a lot of his offensive weapons, and I doubt he will be very effective without them.

One of the tools in Huberdeau's offense was his ability to beat players 1 on 1 and then either score, or make a great pass once the chaos in the D zone started. He seems like he doesn't have the confidence, or skating speed to pull it off anymore.

He also turned into a pretty bad breakaway/shootout option, despite being lights out in FLA, and when he first got here. Again, I don't know if it's a mental thing. He looks as though he starts each year with his swagger back, but once he losses it, he has a very hard time finding his game.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Anything that gets us out of that Huberdeau contract, I think should at least be looked at. Huby ain’t the greatest skater in the world as it stands, so he may decline sharper than others as he gets older.

For sure. Use the “buy a house with a paper clip” story as inspiration!

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

what number is he?

Number as in jersey number? Pelletier is #22, Robertson is #89.

If you're asking about cap hit, then Pelletier is still a restricted free agent. Robertson just signed to $875k.

[Vinny01]

I would really have a hard time trading Huberdeau at 50% retained without an incredibly valuable future asset(s) coming back in the deal. 7 years of $5.25M dead cap is too much to swallow. As it stands right now I still try and let him find his game to see if a team would be more willing to take the deal or at least 80% of it back.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Number as in jersey number? Pelletier is #22, Robertson is #89.

If you're asking about cap hit, then Pelletier is still a restricted free agent. Robertson just signed to $875k.

no no
I was just repeating what one coach said about him at one time

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

What's the deal with Robertson. Another over hyped Leafs prospect?

Bad skater, injury prone but has really good skill and hockey sense.

I would take a crack at him.
I would probably move Pelletier for him 1:1 as I think Robertson has more upside.

[Ped]

Word is the Leafs are going to sign Pacioretty at some point, and are looking to clear cap space in general.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Bad skater, injury prone but has really good skill and hockey sense.

I would take a crack at him.
I would probably move Pelletier for him 1:1 as I think Robertson has more upside.

Flames get another lesser brother to match the Bure/Neidermayer/Granlund/Lemieux/Primeau set.

Note - I realize the Flames have had the better brother a few times but that's not the mythology here.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't see the point in moving him now, and tying up that much cap space for that long, with zero flexibility.

With each year that passes on his contract, moving him will become easier, and (likely) cheaper. The current roster is irrelevant anyway, and there is no downside to being patient. So I think it makes more sense to ride it out for a while, and let the clock tick.

Yep. No rush to move on right now. Lots of cap room and if the plan is to be bad for the next couple seasons, he hasn’t shown he’s going to prevent that from happening on account of his play.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Anything that gets us out of that Huberdeau contract, I think should at least be looked at. Huby ain’t the greatest skater in the world as it stands, so he may decline sharper than others as he gets older.

Sure, but eating half his contract is not really getting out of the contract. There should be no need to worry about getting rid of his contract for another 5 years. Hopefully he rebounds in that time and they can trade him for minimal salary retention.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

no no
I was just repeating what one coach said about him at one time

I totally missed the Sutter reference! Forgot it was about Pelletier.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm not so sure skating is the factor which keeps players going longer. Jagr was a decent skater when young but old Jagr was slow as molasses. Pavelski was always a mediocre skater. Same with Thornton, who was a pass first guy like Huberdeau.

I think it's the high hockey-IQ guys who last, as long as they are fitness buffs (which I think Huberdeau is).

Correct.

Hossa is another guy who's game was built in strength. That's the last "skill" to go, as players who stay in shape retain that late into their 30's and even beyond.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Huberdeau is a prime bounce back candidate in the right situation, and let's be real.. ownership here isn't eating 33M to have Huberdeau play for another franchise. Additionally - there is less than 0% chance that Trouba waives his NTC for Calgary.

Calgary could retain and flip Trouba though