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Old 05-11-2023, 11:48 AM   #10461
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In the short term, I believe them.

The big ####ing caveat however, is I also believe they are going to tank service quality and turnaround so badly that those Of Means will choose Private options instead, while young people, the disabled, the elderly on CPP and low income persons will be turbo####ed.
I definitely see them wanting public healthcare to fail so they feel they have license to pivot. First the virtue signal to Albertans that they care about public health, then they deprive the system of oxygen on purpose (already in flight), then they say private solutions and user fees are the immediate solutions, and they implement.

The "well we loved public healthcare and it failed so we're helping Albertans" schtick is coming.

Get ready for more Babylon apps and Dynalifes. They're on their way.
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Old 05-11-2023, 11:49 AM   #10462
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Actually retired oral maxillofacial surgeon, could have an MD as well because a significant amount of oral maxillofacial surgery residencies are a combined MD/specialty.

Just a bit of trivia, lol
pfft, like you would know anything about it
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Just wait until you have to add on time for your credit check.
You just reminded me of the misery of dealing with insurance while in Hawaii trying to get treatment for salmonella. Sure, ya let me just sign here and here and here and here in between vomiting and crapping. Now lets just sit around and wait for approval before any treatment can start *baaaaarf*. What a system to look forward to!
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Old 05-11-2023, 11:57 AM   #10464
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Yeah, I had a similar experience with my wife needing to go to the ER in California. Beautiful facility, but it took about 6-7 hours to get seen by a doctor and then I had to spend a bunch of time sorting out all the insurance. Maybe it's more streamlined if you're a resident, but somehow I doubt it judging by how many people they had working in the giant billing department.
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Smith's presser interrupted by protester saying "hospitals are not for sale" at 30:45. Smith immediately removed, leaving the other 2 to stand around wondering WTF is going on.
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The key in the ucp promise is 'have to'
Perhaps there will still be a public system you can access as we do now but it will be a shell of what it has been after they privatize and a mass exodus of health professionals occurs.
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Smith's presser interrupted by protester saying "hospitals are not for sale" at 30:45. Smith immediately removed, leaving the other 2 to stand around wondering WTF is going on.
Again, Rajan Sawhney being as meek and feckless as they come. Could have stood up and said "no, hospitals are not for sale". Just another example of how she pretends to be a moderate but enables the chicanery of her UCP overlords to dismantle public institutions.
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Good reason to sell the hospital to a private company, look how bad AHS is doing. Private industry will fix it like they did the labs, so instead of a 12 hour wait it will be 2 months.
Doesn't AHS belong to the government? Why don't they fix it themselves? Hire some of those smart people who are waiting to run private hospitals efficiently and get them to run AHS efficiently.
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Old 05-11-2023, 12:16 PM   #10469
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Doesn't AHS belong to the government? Why don't they fix it themselves? Hire some of those smart people who are waiting to run private hospitals efficiently and get them to run AHS efficiently.
That's not what the lobbyists want.
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Doesn't AHS belong to the government? Why don't they fix it themselves? Hire some of those smart people who are waiting to run private hospitals efficiently and get them to run AHS efficiently.
LOL, they don't actually care about fixing it. They care about funnelling money to themselves and their buddies.
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Or maybe, just maybe, it’s not something that can be “just fixed”?

That’s not an endorsement for private medicine, because I’m completely against that. But I do think it’s difficult problem for politicians. The frontlines people could tell you what needs to happen, I’d guess.
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LOL, they don't actually care about fixing it. They care about funnelling money to themselves and their buddies.
Yeah, it was a rhetorical question. I don't hear anyone asking them that though.
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Actually retired oral maxillofacial surgeon, could have an MD as well because a significant amount of oral maxillofacial surgery residencies are a combined MD/specialty.

Just a bit of trivia, lol
and to Muta, who thinks well educated persons are generally better candidates, he's a massive anti-vaxxer. just for starters.

So being a doctor doesn't make you a better candidate.
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This is from UCP's platform; https://www.unitedconservative.ca/ucp-platform-2023/

So, does a voter believe what they say or what they write? All parties can be somewhat inconsistent in this regard. The UCP does appear to be the most inconsistent. The older I get, the more cynical I get towards politics and politicians.
Did she sign a big posterboard guarantee?
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1656427927851110400

With healthcare being such a big issue, I think these ads really work and the UCP has zero defence against them. I'm looking forward to the debate where Smith has to fend off these attacks saying The UCP won't do that, all Notley has to ask, every time, is "why did you say it then? Were you lying then or now? How can Albertans trust you?"

The protesters targeting a seniors announcement at a hospital were pretty shrewd, too. Who cares about seniors saving money? Seniors. Why cares about healthcare? Seniors. So they targeted an announcement who's audience was the same as theirs. Good stuff.
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Old 05-11-2023, 12:49 PM   #10476
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Or maybe, just maybe, it’s not something that can be “just fixed”?

That’s not an endorsement for private medicine, because I’m completely against that. But I do think it’s difficult problem for politicians. The frontlines people could tell you what needs to happen, I’d guess.
Perhaps they could at least attempt to do so before we say it can’t be fixed.
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and to Muta, who thinks well educated persons are generally better candidates, he's a massive anti-vaxxer. just for starters.

So being a doctor doesn't make you a better candidate.
I don't think you can take one example, in the pool of educated candidates, and apply a generalization to everyone as a black-and-white statement. We need educated, well-rounded people running for office.

You (or someone else) said they just need to be "good people". Unfortunately we need people with experience, leadership qualities, and tact/grace/integrity running. Post-secondary education helps point people in those direction.

I mean, look at the a poll done by the AMA in 2020. 98% of physicians has no confidence in at the time Health Minister and driveway auditory performance artist Tyler Shandro. Another example of how most educated people have generally reasonable takes.

Even in 2017, a study was done that said 7 out of 10 Albertans were generally pleased with their primary care doctors. These are people in the community that Albertans trust with their health and life issues. I'd say having that reputation and trust does make you a better candidate.

Of course being a doctor doesn't make you a good candidate on its own, but it shows voters that they probably come from a position of experience and community engagement, even if they're on the opposite party you normally vote for.
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Smith's presser interrupted by protester saying "hospitals are not for sale" at 30:45. Smith immediately removed, leaving the other 2 to stand around wondering WTF is going on.
Well, I’ll just say that I don’t think this is a good thing, because it encourages other people to do the same thing to politicians in general.
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Well, I’ll just say that I don’t think this is a good thing, because it encourages other people to do the same thing to politicians in general.
For sure, she was just about to start Q&A, where we usually get the real gems. We got robbed on this one.

Seriously though, I agree. No matter how much I want to put a boot to a UCP sign as I ride by, I won't.
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Or maybe, just maybe, it’s not something that can be “just fixed”?

That’s not an endorsement for private medicine, because I’m completely against that. But I do think it’s difficult problem for politicians. The frontlines people could tell you what needs to happen, I’d guess.
Totally agree with you.

I think the hardest part of "just fixing it" is that politicians think in 4 year spans. The health system is so enormous and so broken that it can't be fixed with a bit of budgetable money in a 4 year span. Actual systemic change in the system is going to take billions and probably a decade to implement properly, and there is just no political will to do that.

Its much easier to just keep the system rolling and keep increasing maintenance costs rather than spend the capital required for an overhaul. The parties are all going to have different ways to keep the engine running, but they will all be overpriced and inadequate because what the system needs is a brand new engine.
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