2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[shutout]

https://theathletic.com/2494792/2021...race-and-more/

"...If there’s ever a year to accumulate extra late-round picks, it is this one, on the grounds that if it truly is a shot-in-the-dark draft anyway, the more guesses you get, the greater your odds of actually turning a long shot into a gem."

This might be the year where you adjust your strategy and take more of less.
Instead of pushing for a third as a return, take the fourth and a sixth.
See if you can grab two fifths instead of a fourth.
If you trust your scouts this is the year to take the advise Duhatschek is suggesting and maybe load up on lower lottery balls and see where they go.
Could end up being a franchise defining draft if you target raw skill, speed, and hockey IQ.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by browntrout

The stark reality is that Monahan literally has no value, I think you would be hard pressed to get a late first round pick for the guy. Tkachuk can't skate, Gio is over the hill now, no is taking this guy unless ,and that's a maybe, if Calgary retains salary.

The smart business decision with a new stadium on the horizon would be to rebuild as quickly as possible. Take your lumps for the next 5 years and do it right this time. Too many of their high end draft picks have not materialized to anything Daniel Tkaczuk, Rico data, Sam Bennett, to a lesser degree Monahan has clearly capped out. The organization has clearly had some really bad luck in regards to this, all you can do is start over again and get the drafting right and the rest will follow. They really do need to catch a break a get an elite centre in the draft, it's been the death blow for this organization for the last 30 years

That's literally a brown trout take if 'brown trout' is a euphemism for ####.

[868904]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Monahan still has value. He is still a 2nd line center with potential of getting his scoring back to make him a 1b center. Centers have value. By know means am I saying that they can hit a homerun if they trade him , but they can get something of value.

I think most logical trade for Monahan is change of scenery type trade for a similar under achieving asset.

Like Monahan for Sam Reinhart. Both teams and players just need a change.

[kyuss275]

Wondering how many teams need a goalie at deadline and who is available? I presume the sharks goaltenders are available, Rittich, Bernier , holtby ( maybe covid takes him out of running) . I presume there are more. How many teams are looking for goaltending ? I know there is a chance of Toronto but not sure who else .

[dammage79]

Bah, Svechnikov clears waivers. Ah well.

[Heavy Jack]

Svechnikov clears...


Nygard is on waivers

[Heavy Jack]

Interestingly Jack Roslovic is a healthy scratch today, he has 6 goals and 16 assists in 31 games since the trade.

[Heavy Jack]

Bruins lose Brandon Carlo to week to week injury. Lots of top teams are now down a top dman... I really hope we start kicking tires on teams needs and see if we can load up on picks.

[calgaryfox]

Originally Posted by New Era

I agree with this, but I suspect there will still be some blood letting this summer. I can't see this team going forward with what they have. I would think that every player is available, but it would be for immediate returns and not for futures. Sutter's style is a certain type of game with certain types of players, so the makeup of the team has to change. The only players I really see as part of the Sutter future are Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, and Markstrom. Everyone else is a poor fit and could be sent packing for the right return - that being speed and size.

I would not be shocked to see Gaudreau, Monahan, Mangiapane, Backlund (deal with Seattle), and Bennett with new uniforms come next season, and replaced by guys with Ritchie type size and gumption. I suspect the minors will take on a very different look starting next year as well. I can't see this team wasting any further time on Phillips, Pettersen, or Zavgorodny when they obviously don't play the type of game Sutter wants this team to play. The makeup of the system has to change and a purge of midgets has to happen. We'll know come the draft just how big a difference Sutter's presence is going to have on the personnel decisions. If the draft changes to selecting coke machines on skates over the small skilled forwards we've been picking, then the purge is sure to take place, and quickly. Sutter ain't likely going anywhere, but the players certainly are.

It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the fight in the dog. Monahan and Gaurdreau are playing like ####zu's.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think most logical trade for Monahan is change of scenery type trade for a similar under achieving asset.



Like Monahan for Sam Reinhart. Both teams and players just need a change.

I can get behind this, great suggestion

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[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think most logical trade for Monahan is change of scenery type trade for a similar under achieving asset.



Like Monahan for Sam Reinhart. Both teams and players just need a change.

Talk about a down grade Reinhart has never achieved what Mony has.

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[Calgary4LIfe]

I doubt a core player moves by the trade deadline, but it isn't that much of a reach, especially considering that the core players (for the most part) are signed to friendlier deals (though you can also make the argument that this season, they probably haven't lived up to them!). Anyway, ignoring the core, these are the Flames UFAs and RFAs that could be moved-out this trade deadline (and in no particular order):


Forwards:
Sam Bennett - RFA - We all know his name has been out there
Derek Ryan - UFA - useful depth player - I think he will move
Josh Leivo - UFA - I doubt he gets much interest
Brett Ritchie - UFA - I am starting to think he gets moved - big, fast, not horrible (just has no business playing on a top line!), very physical - good depth piece for a playoff team I argue
Joakim Nordstrom - UFA - terrible season so I doubt he gets moved, but he has been noticed for his strong playoffs in Boston before, so who knows?
Dillon Dube - RFA - doubt he moves, but...no seriously, don't move him.
Dominik Simon - RFA - see Nordstrom.



Defencemen:
Michael Stone - UFA - Doubt any other team even thinks of this given his games played, but making minimum.
Nikita Nesterov - UFA - Not much value here I don't think, but making minimum.
Oliver Kylington - Wonder if he ends up being moved.



Goalies:
David Rittich - UFA - I think he gets moved personally. If you can't really trust your backup, but you think you can make a run, it would suck not to have some insurance there.


My take is that they shop Bennett now - he is a proven 'does way better in the playoffs', and I think has earned his reputation as a playoff performer since his "18 year old Sam Bennett" time. I think Ryan gets moved, and I bet that Ritchie gets moved too - I think Toronto could use a bit of the sandpaper that Ritchie provides, but without being a player that can lose you a game. Not much value, but he will be moved I bet. I also think Rittich moves (and I will miss him).


Bennett, Ryan, Ritchie and Rittich are the players that get moved. This team doesn't like players that start with the letter R, and Bennett. I think the Flames see themselves as being out of it, and expect them to start selling.

[Erick Estrada]

It's really important this offseason that business takes a precedent to loyalty as for instance Gio absolutely cannot be protected or the expansion draft and if by chance he's still with the team after that then if there are any trade offers out there where they can receive a decent draft pick or prospect the team needs to seriously consider pulling the trigger.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

Talk about a down grade Reinhart has never achieved what Mony has.

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Hate to say it, but we have to get over what monahan has previously accomplished. Injuries have taken their toll. This is the kind of deal we are looking at if one happens.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I doubt a core player moves by the trade deadline, but it isn't that much of a reach, especially considering that the core players (for the most part) are signed to friendlier deals (though you can also make the argument that this season, they probably haven't lived up to them!). Anyway, ignoring the core, these are the Flames UFAs and RFAs that could be moved-out this trade deadline (and in no particular order):


Forwards:
Sam Bennett - RFA - We all know his name has been out there
Derek Ryan - UFA - useful depth player - I think he will move
Josh Leivo - UFA - I doubt he gets much interest
Brett Ritchie - UFA - I am starting to think he gets moved - big, fast, not horrible (just has no business playing on a top line!), very physical - good depth piece for a playoff team I argue
Joakim Nordstrom - UFA - terrible season so I doubt he gets moved, but he has been noticed for his strong playoffs in Boston before, so who knows?
Dillon Dube - RFA - doubt he moves, but...no seriously, don't move him.
Dominik Simon - RFA - see Nordstrom.



Defencemen:
Michael Stone - UFA - Doubt any other team even thinks of this given his games played, but making minimum.
Nikita Nesterov - UFA - Not much value here I don't think, but making minimum.
Oliver Kylington - Wonder if he ends up being moved.



Goalies:
David Rittich - UFA - I think he gets moved personally. If you can't really trust your backup, but you think you can make a run, it would suck not to have some insurance there.


My take is that they shop Bennett now - he is a proven 'does way better in the playoffs', and I think has earned his reputation as a playoff performer since his "18 year old Sam Bennett" time. I think Ryan gets moved, and I bet that Ritchie gets moved too - I think Toronto could use a bit of the sandpaper that Ritchie provides, but without being a player that can lose you a game. Not much value, but he will be moved I bet. I also think Rittich moves (and I will miss him).


Bennett, Ryan, Ritchie and Rittich are the players that get moved. This team doesn't like players that start with the letter R, and Bennett. I think the Flames see themselves as being out of it, and expect them to start selling.

I think the Leafs make a lot of sense as a trade partner for the Flames.

They want more grit and toughness and Bennett makes a ton of sense, local boy doesn't hurt and the media would love hype train. Bennett would instantly become a great steal and would be elevated back to Gilmour type potential by Toronto media.

Rittich also make a lot of sense. It's starting to look like Campbell is wrestling the number 1 spot away from Andersson. Rittich has always played very well against the Leafs. A swap of Rittich and ANdersson gives the Leafs a lot more options to shore up other areas as Rittich makes a lot less and the Flames could probably retain too.

Giordano also makes sense to go to the Leafs. He could pair with Brodie again or he could anchor a third pairing and also work the second unit powerplay for them. Flames might have to retain some salary there. I know Gio moved out to Calgary permanently, but I chance to win a cup in Toronto would be hard for him to say no to.

I think if the Leafs picked up those 3 players, they'd be set for a long run.

Flames would have to get some good assets back. I'd want at least a first round pick or a top prospect. Flames might have to take a guy like Kerfoot back to balance salaries out. Kerfoot could stick around or get moved for something else. Andersson could get moved for something else as he obviously wouldn't be in the long term plans.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Hate to say it, but we have to get over what monahan has previously accomplished. Injuries have taken their toll. This is the kind of deal we are looking at if one happens.

Reinhart has mostly played wing.

[1Nite]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think the Leafs make a lot of sense as a trade partner for the Flames.

They want more grit and toughness and Bennett makes a ton of sense, local boy doesn't hurt and the media would love hype train. Bennett would instantly become a great steal and would be elevated back to Gilmour type potential by Toronto media.

Rittich also make a lot of sense. It's starting to look like Campbell is wrestling the number 1 spot away from Andersson. Rittich has always played very well against the Leafs. A swap of Rittich and ANdersson gives the Leafs a lot more options to shore up other areas as Rittich makes a lot less and the Flames could probably retain too.

Giordano also makes sense to go to the Leafs. He could pair with Brodie again or he could anchor a third pairing and also work the second unit powerplay for them. Flames might have to retain some salary there. I know Gio moved out to Calgary permanently, but I chance to win a cup in Toronto would be hard for him to say no to.

I think if the Leafs picked up those 3 players, they'd be set for a long run.

Flames would have to get some good assets back. I'd want at least a first round pick or a top prospect. Flames might have to take a guy like Kerfoot back to balance salaries out. Kerfoot could stick around or get moved for something else. Andersson could get moved for something else as he obviously wouldn't be in the long term plans.

Read some Leaf rumors, came up in Google feed, they had them liking Rittich and Ritchie, and then seperatley mentioned that they are not sold on Kerfoot being a effective 3C. Maybe if the Flames ate some of Backlunds pay, they could send out the there for something other than, the Leafs jouneyman extra players.

[868904]

Originally Posted by 1Nite

Read some Leaf rumors, came up in Google feed, they had them liking Rittich and Ritchie, and then seperatley mentioned that they are not sold on Kerfoot being a effective 3C. Maybe if the Flames ate some of Backlunds pay, they could send out the there for something other than, the Leafs jouneyman extra players.

Can't imagine Backlund waiving to go anywhere with a new child in the fold.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Reinhart has mostly played wing.

Fine by me. We could use a playmaking RW.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 868904

Can't imagine Backlund waiving to go anywhere with a new child in the fold.

He has to submit a 10 team list.