11-12-2023, 01:33 PM
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#10401
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Crouse would a devastating return for Hanifin. They can keep him.
I would take a prospect and 2nd Rd pick over taking him back.
We need to keep our cap options available we could help facilitate trades in a capped out league and taking back a bad contract with term would hinder that.
Teams like Toronto will get desperate and we could be a 3rd team to retain salary and get picks or take a expiring cap dump and get a 1st back.
Crouse doesn't help us in rebuilding.
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Who said we were rebuilding?
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11-12-2023, 01:37 PM
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#10402
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Sandman
Who said we were rebuilding?
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We better be with these results.
This isn't a tweak or two away. We are in 30th place.
We need a #1C a #1D and really our only way of getting that elite top end talent is to rebuild this thing.
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11-12-2023, 01:40 PM
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#10403
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Who said we were rebuilding?
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https://twitter.com/EricFrancis/stat...98728831443408
Retool/selloff from Edwards mouthpiece. This is post Iggy 2.0, rebuild without saying rebuild. There isn’t a roster worth a retool.
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11-12-2023, 01:43 PM
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#10404
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
But will they? I don't know that. Your average non-intense fan wants to go to a hockey game thinking they might see a win.
I'm not anti-rebuild, I'm just not sure 17,000 fans on average are willing to buy seasons tix for 5 years while it goes on.
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The average fan doesn’t want to watch the Flames right now. It’s hard to re-sell tickets right now. I can’t even give some away
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11-12-2023, 01:45 PM
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#10405
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
The average fan doesn’t want to watch the Flames right now. It’s hard to re-sell tickets right now. I can’t even give some away
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Yeah, but it's not because they are hoping for a rebuild which will ensure a sucky team for a few more years. It's because the Flames aren't very good right now. How much worse will it be if they become a Buffalo.
It may be possible to sell right. But I'm sure the onwers are fearful of this.
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11-12-2023, 01:46 PM
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#10406
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bonded
The average fan doesn’t want to watch the Flames right now. It’s hard to re-sell tickets right now. I can’t even give some away
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Yeah, that's what I think gets missed in all of this debate around the market being pro or anti rebuild.
The "average fan" as we classify them attend games primarily when:
1) The Team is good
2) The Team has star players that sell seats and jerseys because they're skilled and charismatic
If the team doesn't have star players, and isn't very good - the "average fan" isn't going to attend. This team isn't very good, and doesn't have any star players.
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11-12-2023, 01:47 PM
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#10407
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
On this page, Reinhart said the Flames were his favorite team.
Get it done, Conroy. |
He is pricing himself out of the Flames market. He actually is a legit first line forward unlike the Flames UFA forward. He is the type of guy you could have signed this off-season if the rebuild had started last year and you had more cap space. Plus you would be one season closer to having young guys breaking through. Doubt the timing will work for the Flames to sign him this off-season, doubt he wants to suck for the first two seasons of his contract before there is a hope of being competitive.
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11-12-2023, 01:47 PM
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#10408
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
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Retooling is a bit different than rebuilding. I really think that if Conny decides to sell-off guys like Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, and of course Z (maybe one of our goalies), we could end up with a damn good team in a year or two, if they do it right.
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11-12-2023, 01:51 PM
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#10409
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Truculent!
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Sell sell sell!
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Originally Posted by Poe969
It's the Law of E=NG. If there was an Edmonton on Mars, it would stink like Uranus.
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11-12-2023, 01:51 PM
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#10410
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Yeah, but it's not because they are hoping for a rebuild which will ensure a sucky team for a few more years. It's because the Flames aren't very good right now. How much worse will it be if they become a Buffalo.
It may be possible to sell right. But I'm sure the onwers are fearful of this.
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This team is going to suck either way. People want entertaining hockey not a team of vets who are checked out and slow.
I really think the whole Edwards only cares about filling seats idea is overblown. Edwards wants to win, he wants to win in his business career, his personal life, and in the NHL. He has done it in his business career and I guarantee he thinks that he can in the NHL and pushes for the chance whenever the team is competitive.
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11-12-2023, 01:52 PM
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#10411
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Yeah, but it's not because they are hoping for a rebuild which will ensure a sucky team for a few more years. It's because the Flames aren't very good right now. How much worse will it be if they become a Buffalo.
It may be possible to sell right. But I'm sure the onwers are fearful of this.
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If they delay it they will just create a generation of indifferent fans. If they try to remain competitive they will basically be the young guns again except older, fans will know they don’t have a chance at the playoffs right from the start. At least with a rebuild you can explain to the fans what you are doing. I personally doubt that Calgary hockey fans are so obtuse as to not understand something that is actually communicated to them. Nobody likes buying bull#### in my opinion.
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11-12-2023, 01:52 PM
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#10412
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Retooling is a bit different than rebuilding. I really think that if Conny decides to sell-off guys like Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, and of course Z (maybe one of our goalies), we could end up with a damn good team in a year or two, if they do it right.
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The fact that Eric Francis even included sell off is telling IMO. It’s not like they didn’t do it after Iggy wanted out.
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11-12-2023, 01:53 PM
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#10413
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Yeah, that's what I think gets missed in all of this debate around the market being pro or anti rebuild.
The "average fan" as we classify them attend games primarily when:
1) The Team is good
2) The Team has star players that sell seats and jerseys because they're skilled and charismatic
If the team doesn't have star players, and isn't very good - the "average fan" isn't going to attend. This team isn't very good, and doesn't have any star players.
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Add in the Saddledome & a cold winter; this is probably the worst ticket in the NHL right now (price aside).
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11-12-2023, 01:55 PM
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#10414
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Retooling is a bit different than rebuilding. I really think that if Conny decides to sell-off guys like Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, and of course Z (maybe one of our goalies), we could end up with a damn good team in a year or two, if they do it right.
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I don’t see it. They’ll have no D-core and no #1 centre and they won’t get better players than they are trading. If they re-tool for similar age players then it will be a worse team and the rebuild will come two years later.
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11-12-2023, 01:55 PM
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#10415
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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I just want them to become a team with cap space as their greatest asset. They could be a third party to trades and siphon even more talent than they will offloading the UFAs just by being a team with flexibility.
Give the kids the reins. In a couple years it will all pay off.
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11-12-2023, 01:55 PM
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#10416
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Yeah, that's what I think gets missed in all of this debate around the market being pro or anti rebuild.
The "average fan" as we classify them attend games primarily when:
1) The Team is good
2) The Team has star players that sell seats and jerseys because they're skilled and charismatic
If the team doesn't have star players, and isn't very good - the "average fan" isn't going to attend. This team isn't very good, and doesn't have any star players.
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Flames lowest attendance happened when they had Iginla, during his "best player in the league" window. Just sayin'.
We don't really have a feel for fans' patience for a rebuild since a sustained one never happened. I'm not saying fans are going to bolt. I'm saying owners are afraid they will.
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11-12-2023, 01:56 PM
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#10417
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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And yes, they could sign a guy like Reinhart in the summer cause they'd have the space to do so.
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11-12-2023, 02:00 PM
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#10418
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
I just want them to become a team with cap space as their greatest asset. They could be a third party to trades and siphon even more talent than they will offloading the UFAs just by being a team with flexibility.
Give the kids the reins. In a couple years it will all pay off.
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I don't even mind a team with the contracts that can't be moved right now plus the kids:
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Mangiapane-Kadri-Zary
Coronato-Dube-Sharangovich
Hunt-Ruzicka-Pospisil
Weegar-Andersson
Solovyov-Poirier
Gilbert-DeSimone
Markstrom-Wolf
As time goes by, you will be shedding vets like Coleman, Dube and Mangiapane and adding kids.
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11-12-2023, 02:01 PM
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#10419
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Lifetime Suspension
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The question for Edwards is do you want to open the new arena with a bunch of mid 30 year olds who will likely get smoked nightly or do you want to start adding some young pieces and draft high while we finish up in the dome.
By the time we open the new arena we could have a couple of high picks on the team, integrated the young guys we have now who will remain young but more experienced and have cap space to make something happen.
I think and hope the answer is clear. You would want a couple of early 20 year old stars ready to break out.
Nothing is a guarantee but I'd like my chances with the young talent coming into the league now. Look at Bedard Carlson and Fantili so far.
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11-12-2023, 02:01 PM
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#10420
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Flames lowest attendance happened when they had Iginla, during his "best player in the league" window. Just sayin'.
We don't really have a feel for fans' patience for a rebuild since a sustained one never happened. I'm not saying fans are going to bolt. I'm saying owners are afraid they will.
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This isn’t the pre-lockout young guns era where there was real risk of relocating for cheap. The Ottawa Senators just sold for a billion dollars. The dome could be empty and the Flames will sell for a billion. I don’t think the owners care about the fans. The Coyotes are losing 10 million a year. That’s literally .5% of Edwards net worth and the equivalent of a vacation for a normal person. Ego over cash flow. Edwards thinks he can win
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