11-26-2019, 05:52 PM
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#1021
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First Line Centre
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*mod edit*
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11-26-2019, 05:53 PM
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#1022
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First Line Centre
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Lol
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11-26-2019, 05:53 PM
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#1023
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I won't talk about it. But I also feel it is important to point out that Neal was totally responsible for his failure to perform in Calgary. Period. It had nothing to do with management and coaches failing to accommodate him.
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Well you are talking about it. So I think you should talk about it.
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11-26-2019, 05:53 PM
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#1024
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I won't talk about it.
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If you can't talk about it, then why mention it? Serious question.
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11-26-2019, 05:53 PM
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#1025
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fleury
I think it's very relevant. Management not willing to listen to players needs, and things not working out because of it is very much what happened potentially. In this case burying Neal much like Aliu, except Neal has clout. Combined with what we're hearing now happened in Carolina, how can you not say it's potentially relevant?
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Is it relevant to the very current topic of what was said to Akim?
Loosely relevant, if you need to argue. But are you adding to the discussion with James Neal?
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11-26-2019, 05:53 PM
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#1026
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CP's Fraser Crane
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I won't talk about it. But I also feel it is important to point out that Neal was totally responsible for his failure to perform in Calgary. Period. It had nothing to do with management and coaches failing to accommodate him.
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Booo
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11-26-2019, 05:54 PM
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#1027
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First Line Centre
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*mod edit*
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11-26-2019, 05:56 PM
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#1028
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Franchise Player
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Peters should be gone. That said the only person that failed Neal in Clagary was James Neal
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11-26-2019, 05:59 PM
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#1029
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Rando
If you can't talk about it, then why mention it? Serious question.
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Because I feel it is important to point out that the problem was not a clash between the player with management and coaches.
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11-26-2019, 06:00 PM
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#1030
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Well you are talking about it. So I think you should talk about it.
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I don't care what you think. I would rather not say anything beyond what I have.
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11-26-2019, 06:00 PM
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#1031
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First Line Centre
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Because innuendo helps.
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11-26-2019, 06:02 PM
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#1032
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds
Because innuendo helps.
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Innyerendo.
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11-26-2019, 06:05 PM
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#1033
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder
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James Neal dabbled in the yayo???
That explains a lot
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11-26-2019, 06:09 PM
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#1034
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Based on everything I have heard this is nothing remotely close to what happened between the Flames and James Neal.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
what have you heard went on between the flames and james neal?
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Originally Posted by stang
I’m also interested .
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I won't talk about it. But I also feel it is important to point out that Neal was totally responsible for his failure to perform in Calgary. Period. It had nothing to do with management and coaches failing to accommodate him.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I don't care what you think. I would rather not say anything beyond what I have.
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Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds
Because innuendo helps.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom
James Neal dabbled in the yayo???
That explains a lot
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I think this worked out really well.
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11-26-2019, 06:10 PM
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#1035
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Split98
Is it relevant to the very current topic of what was said to Akim?
Loosely relevant, if you need to argue. But are you adding to the discussion with James Neal?
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I think I outlined my argument that it's possible now that Bill Peters played hardball with Neal and that snowballed to what we know happened. Chicken or the egg is the question at this point. I'd say that it's almost certain Neal was promised a certain amount of leverage. If Peters played hardball and didn't allow him to get out of his funk, or set him up to fail, then Neal just sulked because he could and said, f-this. Or it could be Neal deserved it right from the start and Peters benched him accordingly. With the allegations coming out now though, I'd gravitate towards the former, and if he is a disciple of old Mikey on the Leafs, he could've just said screw Treliving's promises, I'm the coach and I'm doing things my way. I maintain that my personal opinion is that Neal got pissed at management (whether Peters and/or Treliving), and they management took the side of the coach and it led to this. Getting Lucic I maintain was a massive cluster####, but that's another argument. What makes a player like Neal give up on a team that quickly? That's the main question that should be answered and if I'm connecting the dots it certainly points to some disgruntlement with management.
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11-26-2019, 06:19 PM
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#1036
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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nm
Last edited by Beninho; 11-26-2019 at 06:21 PM.
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11-26-2019, 06:22 PM
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#1038
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fleury
I think I outlined my argument that it's possible now that Bill Peters played hardball with Neal and that snowballed to what we know happened. Chicken or the egg is the question at this point. I'd say that it's almost certain Neal was promised a certain amount of leverage. If Peters played hardball and didn't allow him to get out of his funk, or set him up to fail, then Neal just sulked because he could and said, f-this. Or it could be Neal deserved it right from the start and Peters benched him accordingly. With the allegations coming out now though, I'd gravitate towards the former, and if he is a disciple of old Mikey on the Leafs, he could've just said screw Treliving's promises, I'm the coach and I'm doing things my way. I maintain that my personal opinion is that Neal got pissed at management (whether Peters and/or Treliving), and they management took the side of the coach and it led to this. Getting Lucic I maintain was a massive cluster####, but that's another argument. What makes a player like Neal give up on a team that quickly? That's the main question that should be answered and if I'm connecting the dots it certainly points to some disgruntlement with management.
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Your theory is one which would be possible. It is not, however, correct. Peters didn’t screw Neal. Treliving didn’t screw Neal. Neal screwed Neal. At best Treliving made a similar mistake as he did with Peters as far as not enough DD.
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11-26-2019, 06:24 PM
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#1039
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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This is really ####ty for everyone involved, plain and simple. I think Treliving is handling this well and making sure he gets all the details before making a franchise altering decision. Shouldn’t let outside forces sway your decision.
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11-26-2019, 06:26 PM
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#1040
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fleury
I think I outlined my argument that it's possible now that Bill Peters played hardball with Neal and that snowballed to what we know happened. Chicken or the egg is the question at this point. I'd say that it's almost certain Neal was promised a certain amount of leverage. If Peters played hardball and didn't allow him to get out of his funk, or set him up to fail, then Neal just sulked because he could and said, f-this. Or it could be Neal deserved it right from the start and Peters benched him accordingly. With the allegations coming out now though, I'd gravitate towards the former, and if he is a disciple of old Mikey on the Leafs, he could've just said screw Treliving's promises, I'm the coach and I'm doing things my way. I maintain that my personal opinion is that Neal got pissed at management (whether Peters and/or Treliving), and they management took the side of the coach and it led to this. Getting Lucic I maintain was a massive cluster####, but that's another argument. What makes a player like Neal give up on a team that quickly? That's the main question that should be answered and if I'm connecting the dots it certainly points to some disgruntlement with management.
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Neal didn’t get out of his funk because he ####ing sucks 5 on 5 and played with zero passion. He had an entire season to bring something and never did. Didn’t matter what line he was on, he stunk up the dome even when he scored. And this has nothing to do with the thread
Last edited by Beninho; 11-26-2019 at 06:33 PM.
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