[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[chedder]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

From what I'm gathering, people here hate Peters because his teams also tend to out-chance, out-shoot, and out-possess opposing teams.

So are we supposed to only be happy with a coach who is the opposite and gets out-chanced, out-shot, and out-possessed regularly?

Peters was and has been #1 on my wish list for next Head Coach since way before Gulutzan was fired. I'll be absolutely ecstatic if it's him and by all accounts, it's looking like it will be him!

Yeah. That and the knocks against him from his current fan base that he fails to have the team prepared to start the game, they more often than not get scored on first, they say he fails to adjust in- game etc. Kinda like what we just went through here for 2 years. I don't have my pitchfork sharpened yet, but I don't feel all warm and fuzzy.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I've warmed up to the idea of Peters since we first started looking into him.

Things I like:
-He seems to be a bit gruff and blunt. These were qualities that I liked about Sutter
-He seems to have put some young players in positions to succeed and had them develop well. Case in point guys like Aho, Teravainen, Slavin, Pesce, etc. It's promising for the future of guys like Jankowski and Bennett
-He demands hard work above all else. As fans its easy to cheer for teams who bust their ass off and try hard. What we can't stand is lazy, lackadaisical play.
-He seems very well prepared and seems to have successful systems in terms of possession. I know people hate the idea of possession because Glen failed with it but IMO Glen failed more due to how he composed his lineup and how long he stuck with mediocre lines. Possession is what almost every modern coach is preaching so to dislike Peters because he wants possession is silly.

Things I don’t like:

- Losing record as a coach in the NHL
- None of his teams have qualified for the playoffs in the NHL
- Medicore coaching record in the AHL (Didn’t Win a playoff round)
- Average coaching record in the WHL (outside of one excellent year)
- Terrible coaching record in College hockey
- Won a playoff round in only 1 of 10+ years over 4 different levels of hockey
- Not sure if other candidates were considered

Things I like:

- He isn’t Glen Gulutzan

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

From what I'm gathering, people here hate Peters because his teams also tend to out-chance, out-shoot, and out-possess opposing teams.

So are we supposed to only be happy with a coach who is the opposite and gets out-chanced, out-shot, and out-possessed regularly?

Peters was and has been #1 on my wish list for next Head Coach since way before Gulutzan was fired. I'll be absolutely ecstatic if it's him and by all accounts, it's looking like it will be him!

No, people are wary because despite those stats he had a pretty poor record and hasn’t won consistently at any level, just like our outgoing coach. It may be that Carolina was terrible and he did the best he could, and certainly the Calgary roster is better, so here’s hoping.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Gulutzan fired, Peters resigned and Peters hired all within 1 week?

Something tells me this had been Treliving plan for a while. Didn't really matter which other coaches were available.

I believe the same thing and that pisses me off, if this was Tre's guy all along that is fine but don't bs your fan base with this presser saying it is a process and they will be doing an extensive search and blah blah blah when you have no intention of doing a search at all or taking the time to make a decision. Just be honest about it. Anyhow it is what it is, if it is Peters than what can a fan do other than just except it and see what happens? Nothing.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So what tells everyone here that Peters coaches slow plodding transitions? Nothing, that's what.

You missed the point of my post...

But I’ll indulge you anyways

If everyone believes he plays the same system as GG then clearly that’s what we are expecting. After listening to the guy from Carolina on the fan yesterday, reading a few of the articles linked inthe thread before all signs point towards another coach with a boring system.

And more importantly I have yet to see a single person mention that peters is the type of coach who adjusts his system to fit the players he’s given...

There’s just a lot of red flags around peters and his systems that haven’t been addressed by you or anyone. The only thing people use is “wait and see”

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I believe the same thing and that pisses me off, if this was Tre's guy all along that is fine but don't bs your fan base with this presser saying it is a process and they will be doing an extensive search and blah blah blah when you have no intention of doing a search at all or taking the time to make a decision. Just be honest about it. Anyhow it is what it is, if it is Peters than what can a fan do other than just except it and see what happens? Nothing.

Exactly. If he is the guy and it looks like he is, there is no changing that.

Unfortunately the fans can’t get excited, and point to his prior accomplishments you want him to replicate here.

Because there are none.

Just have to hope that he does better than the last guy.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by edslunch

No, people are wary because despite those stats he had a pretty poor record and hasn’t won consistently at any level, just like our outgoing coach. It may be that Carolina was terrible and he did the best he could, and certainly the Calgary roster is better, so here’s hoping.

During his 4 seasons in Caroline, Peters' coached a team that was:

Bottom 3 in team salary.
Bottom 3 in goaltending
Incredibly young
Played in a division with teams like Pittsburgh, Washington and Columbus.

Despite everything, Carolina gave up the fewest shots and the fewest scoring chances in the NHL last season while having the 4th most shots and 6th most scoring chances.

For the very little he had to work with, his results were very very promising

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

During his 4 seasons in Caroline, Peters' coached a team that was:

Bottom 3 in team salary.
Bottom 3 in goaltending
Incredibly young
Played in a division with teams like Pittsburgh, Washington and Columbus.

Despite everything, Carolina gave up the fewest shots and the fewest scoring chances in the NHL last season while having the 4th most shots and 6th most scoring chances.

For the very little he had to work with, his results were very very promising

Except the result of winning hockey games

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

...And more importantly I have yet to see a single person mention that peters is the type of coach who adjusts his system to fit the players he’s given...

Is this really a legitimate criticism? Since Peters has coached for only one NHL team, and hasn't had the benefit of a dramatic change in roster-types, then how do we know one way or the other?

There’s just a lot of red flags around peters and his systems that haven’t been addressed by you or anyone. The only thing people use is “wait and see”

I still think the reason for this is that the descriptions we have seen from everyone are still fairly impressionable, and difficult to extrapolate from without taking the time to carefully see for ourselves how Peters' teams look. For these reasons I am pretty eager to get a look at Team Canada next week.

[Fischy13]

It’s official. Done. Monday will be the announcement.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I've warmed up to the idea of Peters since we first started looking into him.

Things I like:
-He seems to be a bit gruff and blunt. These were qualities that I liked about Sutter
-He seems to have put some young players in positions to succeed and had them develop well. Case in point guys like Aho, Teravainen, Slavin, Pesce, etc. It's promising for the future of guys like Jankowski and Bennett
-He demands hard work above all else. As fans its easy to cheer for teams who bust their ass off and try hard. What we can't stand is lazy, lackadaisical play.
-He seems very well prepared and seems to have successful systems in terms of possession. I know people hate the idea of possession because Glen failed with it but IMO Glen failed more due to how he composed his lineup and how long he stuck with mediocre lines. Possession is what almost every modern coach is preaching so to dislike Peters because he wants possession is silly.

Personally I don't think he had anywhere near the depth in CAR that he'll have in CGY. He had very little star power. I think CGY's top trio of Gaudreau, Monahan and Tkachuk trump CAR's equivalent by a large margin. I think CGY's goaltending is quite a bit ahead of CAR's. I think our defences are probably the closest of any of the areas. If Treliving gets another depth scorer I think our team has the depth to contend. If Peters proves to be an upgrade on GG and I don't see how he wouldn't be, I think we're looking pretty good for next season.

GG was horrible for many reasons we've talked about. Peters does not seem to have the same shortcomings. Peters knows that ice time is the way he gets players to play the way he wants. GG just seemed to trot out the same groups over and over regardless of performance. Peters has a history of developing young players and putting them in situations to succeed. GG IMO put Bennett and Jankowski in a tough spot to succeed and we didn't really see any progression from Bennett under his watch.

I see lots of reasons for optimism. Doesn't surprise me the same negative nancies are whining and bitching like they usually do. Only time will tell. It will be interesting to see who the assistants are and if Treliving makes a major move to add another offensive depth piece. My outlook on the team is very different now that GG is gone. Hope has been restored.

Well said, I suspect this coaching hire was also based on feedback from the players (even if BT already knew Peters). GG did some good things but for many reasons (that you have listed) was not the right fit for this team. When BT brought in Mike Smith a lot of people were concerned with his numbers/age, but then BT came out and mentioned that they had done an extensive study on all available goalies which allowed them to conclude Mike Smith was better than advertised. The goaltending results were surprisingly better than many of us anticipated.

A lot of people are concerned and that is understandable, I have a few of my own, but when I look closer there is enough important details to indicate this may be a good fit. I wouldn't be surprised if the players were a big part of this decision. We will have to wait and see!

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by chedder

Yeah. That and the knocks against him from his current fan base that he fails to have the team prepared to start the game, they more often than not get scored on first, they say he fails to adjust in- game etc. Kinda like what we just went through here for 2 years. I don't have my pitchfork sharpened yet, but I don't feel all warm and fuzzy.

Funny, hear this word for word from rangers fans about AV.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Except the result of winning hockey games

Which was a result that was not entirely within his control. I think it could very well be that Peters did about as well as he could with what he had to work with.

Of course, we won't really know until we see him with a different group of players.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Funny, hear this word for word from rangers fans about AV.

So many of the criticisms applied to Peters are carbon copies of the complaints from fans for most NHL coaches.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Except the result of winning hockey games

Like I said, some people don't like to dig deeper into the numbers than what's shown on the surface.

To each their own

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So many of the criticisms applied to Peters are carbon copies of the complaints from fans for most NHL coaches.

But the similarities to GG are complemented by the similar stats!

No matter, he’s the guy now. Hope he does better than the last one

[calgarygeologist]

This (https://flamesnation.ca/2018/04/18/w...glen-gulutzan/) suggests that Peters could be making around $2 million with the Flames. That seems like quite a bit of money for a coach with a losing pedigree in the NHL.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Did I say in the post to which you are responding that anyone should refrain from forming opinions? No. I said and continue to maintain that we should all be pretty careful about how strongly we hold to those opinions—all of which are formed on the basis of incomplete information.

[/I]
That's fair. But by the same token I would like to think it is not such a high expectation of the number of adults on this message board to take the challenges to their opinions on the basis of incomplete information in stride.

[/I]
This is again not what I said. I maintain that people who are expressing their strongly held opinions should expect them to be challenged, and that an immanently legitimate criticism is the fact that all of us are operating on limited information.

Speaking for myself, I am sceptical. I am concerned about Peters' record, and I have my own doubts about how this will work out. But I also think the reasons provided for why he is probably a better coach than these superficial factors would indicate are pretty sound, and thus am not convinced at the outset that this is a terrible decision. I just don't know, and based on everything I have read on both sides I don't believe that anyone else knows any better than I do about how this will turn out.

Why not just say this? This is perfect and forwards the discussion. It is pretty much how I feel about the situation. There are a lot of factors that will go into this and obviously nobody here knows how things will turn out but it shouldn't stop us from starting a Fire Peters thread...

I don't like the Peters hire because I wanted a proven NHL coach with a long track record. I wanted to see ups and downs in a career and how they responded to them. Peters doesn't fit that for me. If we are going down I wanted it to be with an established coach, a guy that knows all the ins and outs and would have tried them. If we fail with Peters we are right back at square one questioning the coach and everything else. Basically I see no upsides going with Peters vs the available veteran coaches but but I do see a lot of downside.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

This (https://flamesnation.ca/2018/04/18/w...glen-gulutzan/) suggests that Peters could be making around $2 million with the Flames. That seems like quite a bit of money for a coach with a losing pedigree in the NHL.

I didn’t realize Gully only made 800 K, in his second head coaching gig

Peters is clearly a good negotiator, I’ll give him that

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Which was a result that was not entirely within his control. I think it could very well be that Peters did about as well as he could with what he had to work with.



Of course, we won't really know until we see him with a different group of players.

But you understand the concern, right?