General Ongoing Coyotes saga thread

[tjinaz]

I think that is a fair analysis. To me the AMF is clearly a subsidy, but I think it survives the gift clause if COG can show the loss to Glendale is greater if the Coyotes leave. However, I think they may be under-estimating how many events could be held in Jobbing if the Coyotes left.

GWI seems to be now leaning on the following point:

Goldwater Institute ‏@GoldwaterInst #Glendale
mayor & councilmembers haven't yet been given the economic analysis, let alone the public. #Coyotes

What I find really amusing and wonder if it is a shot or not are the references to the Diamondbacks as a comparable seeing as the GWI board member Randy Kendrick is married to Diamondbacks CEO Ken Kendrick and the DBacks got all sorts of government subsidies

[valo403]

Originally Posted by pylon

Sorry, If The City of Calgary was propping up the Flames to the tune of $17,000,000/yr in tax payer dollars, and there was a proposed sales tax increase that would adversely affect all economic classes, I would be the first guy to say, sell or move the team. I say that as a true 32 year fan, from day 1 I have lived and died the Flames.

Pro sports is an ultimate luxury, and it should not hurt the city it represents or it's citizens.

When did you move to Glendale?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

If the court cannot issue a TRO due to separation of powers how can they overturn a vote? Same logic applies. They could sanction COG but I don't think they can overturn or even force the vote to happen again.

I would imagine it's a case of the Court being unable to prevent the vote from taking place, but still having the power to declare that the procedures surrounding the vote did not comply with the law and are therefore invalid. Preventing the vote has the court inserting itself into the political process, a judgement on the validity of the vote is a strictly legal issue.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Anyone else watching this meeting?

What a dog and pony show.

Real Reality TV.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by valo403

When did you move to Glendale?

What is that even supposed to mean?

I was drawing a parallel. If the same situation was going on here, I would not support it, no matter what. It is a joke this is even being considered.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Holy pump Bettman's tires.

Yeah its pretty ridiculous. No wonder he wants the team to stay there, they are fawning over the guy like he is some kind of rock star.

Contrast that to the reception he receives in Canada.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by valo403

When did you move to Glendale?

What the hell are you talking about? You obviously knew the point he was making. If I didn't know any better I would swear you were GreenTeaFrapp. Same garbage posts.

[greyshep]

Wow, Greg Jamison speaking now...he is laying it on real thick.

I think everyone at this meeting is going to need a bath after he is done.

[Itse]

Living well outside of North America alltogether I hope the Coyotes move. I don't like sideshows like this.

If there was a way to save the Coyotes, it would have happened already. With each passing year the likelihood of it happening decreases. Time to pull the plug.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

After having to watch numerous garbage meetings like this to see if they were sold to Winnipeg I cannot bother watching it anymore. Just glad the fate of our chances getting a franchise is no longer controlled by that looney bin mayor Scruggs and her crew.

[Muta]

I'm still not sure why the NHL and other entities are trying so valiantly to have them remain in Phoenix. Feels like no other relocated team recieved this type of leniency.

Just move the team to Quebec City already, and start making money. Why doesn't the NHL full-out promote going to a city that will embrace hockey?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by pylon

What is that even supposed to mean?

I was drawing a parallel. If the same situation was going on here, I would not support it, no matter what. It is a joke this is even being considered.

I'm just trying to figure out why you care so much about something that has pretty much zero impact on you.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm just trying to figure out why you care so much about something that has pretty much zero impact on you.

If the Coyotes move, the Flames have less teams in their conference/division. Easier to make the playoffs.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What the hell are you talking about? You obviously knew the point he was making. If I didn't know any better I would swear you were GreenTeaFrapp. Same garbage posts.

What point is that? That people in Glendale should be pissed? I'd agree with that, hence why I asked when he moved to Glendale. Not sure why people in Calgary would be pissed about something that doesn't impact them.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm just trying to figure out why you care so much about something that has pretty much zero impact on you.

At the end of the day you are right, it has no impact on me, and neither does it on 99% of the people in this thread, so I suppose we should just close the thread off to everyone but bouw and arrow.

What a stupid comment.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

After having to watch numerous garbage meetings like this to see if they were sold to Winnipeg I cannot bother watching it anymore. Just glad the fate of our chances getting a franchise is no longer controlled by that looney bin mayor Scruggs and her crew.

Yes, I can imagine.

I am pulling the plug on this...its a foregone conclusion on how the 4 "in favor" councilors are going to vote.

The fact that a city controlled by a small council are so blinded by this that they are spending themselves into bankruptcy is quite frightening. I feel bad for residents of Glendale.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm just trying to figure out why you care so much about something that has pretty much zero impact on you.

You live and work in NYC, but spend your spare time in a Calgary Flames message board. What happens in other cities can impact others, as much as the Flames still impact you thousands of miles away.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by valo403

What point is that? That people in Glendale should be pissed? I'd agree with that, hence why I asked when he moved to Glendale. Not sure why people in Calgary would be pissed about something that doesn't impact them.

It is looking at it from a humanity point of view. Why should taxpayers be overburdened to keep a team that they don't want? I feel for the people of Glendale, they are being made to financially support a team they don't care for. It also does effect every fanbase because it is better for the NHL and for all other franchises to have that team in a healthy market.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is looking at it from a humanity point of view. Why should taxpayers be overburdened to keep a team that they don't want? I feel for the people of Glendale, they are being made to financially support a team they don't care for. It also does effect every fanbase because it is better for the NHL and for all other franchises to have that team in a healthy market.

Thanks that sums up my feelings pretty much.

However, we all need to re-evaluate our participation in all facets of this board. If something no matter what it is, does not directly affect you, please refrain from commenting as per valo403.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by valo403

What point is that? That people in Glendale should be pissed? I'd agree with that, hence why I asked when he moved to Glendale. Not sure why people in Calgary would be pissed about something that doesn't impact them.

Attention, the following threads should be shut down according to valo403:

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- Edmonton teacher suspended for giving zeros
- Toronto bans plastic bags
- Montreal student riots
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