The Legend of Sam Bennett

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He signed for less in Florida than he was offered in Ottawa so why would he come to Calgary when he can choose a place that is a lot more open (in terms of pandemic life) and a place that offered him a big opportunity.

It is not an old standby for Brad it is a straight up fact that Calgary is not a desirable location for NHL players.

He was not offered anything by Ottawa after he left for free agency. There is no confirmation of what he was offered before he went to free agency. What we know is that Ottawa refused to qualify him at 1.8 million a year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tsn...5819%3ftsn-amp

After that he sat around for 71 days waiting for someone to call him. But it is possible that he still had a very small list on December 16th and the Flames were not on it I guess.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Or just you manufacturing something else out of nothing
Real stuff isn’t enough so let’s make up things to also blame BT for.
He turned down Ottawa
Maybe he had a list of teams he was willing to join particularly when the money became less than he thought it would be
Maybe he didn’t want to play in Canada
Maybe he likes warmer weather
Maybe he felt he’d get a better opportunity with the Panthers
I don’t know
Neither do you

He never turned down Ottawa. Ottawa turned him down. Basic facts should be adhered to don't you think?

[soulchoice]

Jovo the analyst on Fox Sports Sun (Florida) with some nice post game comments about Benny and his linemates.

Now talking about Lomberg. Lol

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He never turned down Ottawa. Ottawa turned him down. Basic facts should be adhered to don't you think?

Asked about the situation in French, Duclair said the Senators had offered him a one-year deal before the decision was made to allow him to test unrestricted free agency. There is talk the Senators offered Duclair a deal in the range of $3.25 million per-season but the negotiations never really got very far.Dec. 19,

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ottawasu...7d1b71187/amp/

According to Ottawa Senators insider Brent Wallace, Duclair is believed to have turned down a lucrative deal from the Sens that seems to be far more money than he’s going to get should he sign elsewhere. Wallace was on Ottawa’s TSN 1200 and reports that the Senators offered three years and and average annual value of $4.25 million to stick with the club. Duclair said no, believing he could do better on the open market.

https://nhltradetalk.com/did-duclair...n-free-agency/

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Asked about the situation in French, Duclair said the Senators had offered him a one-year deal before the decision was made to allow him to test unrestricted free agency. There is talk the Senators offered Duclair a deal in the range of $3.25 million per-season but the negotiations never really got very far.Dec. 19,

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ottawasu...7d1b71187/amp/

According to Ottawa Senators insider Brent Wallace, Duclair is believed to have turned down a lucrative deal from the Sens that seems to be far more money than he’s going to get should he sign elsewhere. Wallace was on Ottawa’s TSN 1200 and reports that the Senators offered three years and and average annual value of $4.25 million to stick with the club. Duclair said no, believing he could do better on the open market.

https://nhltradetalk.com/did-duclair...n-free-agency/

And then the Sens refused to qualify him at 1.8 million with arbitration rights. That is how he became a free agent to execute his master plan to sign for 1.7 million in Florida. My statement was that as a UFA any team, including the Calgary Flames, could have had him. That is still how UFA works, any team could have a player if a contract is signed. It is different from RFA where the original team has the right to match. Not sure how a statement that any team could have had him, including the Calgary Flames, is an attack on Brad Treliving.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yup
I stated he turned them down
Which he did

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I haven’t followed Huberdeau closely

Can you enlighten me on the beneficiaries of the Huberdeau effect?

Elite playmaker. One of the best in the league but doesn't get recognized for it. Has no problem making high skill dekes or digging in the corners to retrieve a puck. Can shoot it really well too when given the chance. His vision is incredible.

Honestly, when Barkov and Huberdeau played on the same line they could literally put an inanimate carbon rod on a line with them and the rod would score 20 goals.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yup
I stated he turned them down
Which he did

No he did not, because the Sens turned him down by not qualifying him. That is how RFA works. For example, this offseason if Dillon Dube does not accept the Flames offer he does not become a UFA. The fact that Dube may not accept the Flames offer does not accomplish that. The Flames would have to turn down the offer to sign him to the qualifying offer for that to happen.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Elite playmaker. One of the best in the league but doesn't get recognized for it. Has no problem making high skill dekes or digging in the corners to retrieve a puck. Can shoot it really well too when given the chance. His vision is incredible.

Honestly, when Barkov and Huberdeau played on the same line they could literally put an inanimate carbon rod on a line with them and the rod would score 20 goals.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Panthers are definitely the team I'm cheering for, and now doubly so. But people seem to conveniently forget they have sucked for such a long time. For awhile there, they looked like Buffalo, a team that finishes perpetually bottom of the league. They've amassed a lot of prospects that all seem to have finally turned it up, with one of the best coaches in the league guiding them. Fun team to watch for sure.

What's funny to me is that just last year they were pretty much unwatchable garbage. Coach Q and Bobrovsky were there. Most of the defensive corps was the same. They couldn't stop a beach ball.

All of a sudden this year Gudas signs to add a physical edge on the lower pairs, and Weegar becomes a top pairing defenseman when he was barely staying in the league. Ekblad was having a Norris season before he got hurt. Forsling has been a revelation too.

The forwards had a big overhaul, but honestly I thought it would be the team's weakness. Sure, you had Barkov and Huberdeau to build around, but they added major question marks in Duclair, Verhaeghe, Wennberg, and an over-the-hill Hornqvist. Guys like Tippett, Lammikko, Luostarinen, and Marchment had done nothing of note in their careers until this season. None of it should have worked, but everything went much better than expected.

Sometimes a team does well due to calculated risk taking, but other times it's just dumb luck that it all comes together at the same time.

[MrMike]

If I remember correctly it’s because they were afraid of arbitration and a number too high to not be able to walk away from, or something like that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

No he did not, because the Sens turned him down by not qualifying him. That is how RFA works. For example, this offseason if Dillon Dube does not accept the Flames offer he does not become a UFA. The fact that Dube may not accept the Flames offer does not accomplish that. The Flames would have to turn down the offer to sign him to the qualifying offer for that to happen.

Wtf
They offered him a contract and he turned them down
Then later they chose not to qualify him
Both are true
But it is a fact that he turned down a contract to stay with Ottawa

[AC]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Asked about the situation in French, Duclair said the Senators had offered him a one-year deal before the decision was made to allow him to test unrestricted free agency. There is talk the Senators offered Duclair a deal in the range of $3.25 million per-season but the negotiations never really got very far.Dec. 19,

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ottawasu...7d1b71187/amp/

According to Ottawa Senators insider Brent Wallace, Duclair is believed to have turned down a lucrative deal from the Sens that seems to be far more money than he’s going to get should he sign elsewhere. Wallace was on Ottawa’s TSN 1200 and reports that the Senators offered three years and and average annual value of $4.25 million to stick with the club. Duclair said no, believing he could do better on the open market.

https://nhltradetalk.com/did-duclair...n-free-agency/

For what it's worth, Duclair said he never got the big offer from Ottawa.

https://podcast.sportsnet.ca/31-thou...thony-duclair/

@35:40. Says the report isn't true and he was shocked Ottawa didn't qualify him. Was only ever offered a 1 year deal and Pierre Dorion said the team could offer a 2 year deal the next time around if he signed the 1 year deal.

[Vinny01]

Nm

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

What's funny to me is that just last year they were pretty much unwatchable garbage. Coach Q and Bobrovsky were there. Most of the defensive corps was the same. They couldn't stop a beach ball.

All of a sudden this year Gudas signs to add a physical edge on the lower pairs, and Weegar becomes a top pairing defenseman when he was barely staying in the league. Ekblad was having a Norris season before he got hurt. Forsling has been a revelation too.

The forwards had a big overhaul, but honestly I thought it would be the team's weakness. Sure, you had Barkov and Huberdeau to build around, but they added major question marks in Duclair, Verhaeghe, Wennberg, and an over-the-hill Hornqvist. Guys like Tippett, Lammikko, Luostarinen, and Marchment had done nothing of note in their careers until this season. None of it should have worked, but everything went much better than expected.

Sometimes a team does well due to calculated risk taking, but other times it's just dumb luck that it all comes together at the same time.

I think when you have a coach like Q it's only a matter of time before it clicks. Last year was a bit of a transition, but it seems like the whole team has bought in this season and it's working perfectly

As a Flames fan I hope Sutter can instill a similar work ethic and culture with this group and turn it around next season

To keep it on topic for the thread, I wish Bennett was a part of this Flames group still lol. I'll be cheering him and the Panthers on in the playoffs this year

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Wtf
They offered him a contract and he turned them down
Then later they chose not to qualify him
Both are true
But it is a fact that he turned down a contract to stay with Ottawa

Fair enough. Duclair confirmed they offered him a one year deal. He turned that down. They refused to offer him a different one year deal. He became a UFA. Both can be true and then he became a UFA that any team in the NHL could have signed to mutually agreeable compensation. I thought your reply was that rumored offers that were not confirmed by Duclair that may have been turned down triggered UFA.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Wood

I think when you have a coach like Q it's only a matter of time before it clicks. Last year was a bit of a transition, but it seems like the whole team has bought in this season and it's working perfectly

As a Flames fan I hope Sutter can instill a similar work ethic and culture with this group and turn it around next season

To keep it on topic for the thread, I wish Bennett was a part of this Flames group still lol. I'll be cheering him and the Panthers on in the playoffs this year

From your lips to the hockey gods ears. I haven't been able to stomach a full Flames game in a while. There's something deeply wrong with the team or the players themselves. I honestly believe there needs to be a bit of a housecleaning before the team gets better. Move on from most of the forwards and keep a couple key pieces to build around.

The only problem is that the Flames don't have a lot of elite talent to build around. If I was the G.M. I would keep Johnny and Lindholm and say goodbye to everyone else. Those are the only guys that have the skillset needed for a winning team.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah it’s a weird situation with so many different accounts of what did and didn’t happen
But it seems like indeed the risk of a high arbitration awards that they couldn’t walk away from was part of the decision for Ottawa
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ottawasu...9a66d4927/amp/

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Because it’s not true that “anyone could have had him”
As a free agent that choice was his
Anyone could have had him within the group of teams he was willing to sign with
We don’t know if he would have considered the Flame or not

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

11 goals the year before
5 the year before that
20 before that

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Hmmmm I’m a young millionaire
Calgary or Florida
Hmmmmm

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Or just you manufacturing something else out of nothing
Real stuff isn’t enough so let’s make up things to also blame BT for.
He turned down Ottawa
Maybe he had a list of teams he was willing to join particularly when the money became less than he thought it would be
Maybe he didn’t want to play in Canada
Maybe he likes warmer weather
Maybe he felt he’d get a better opportunity with the Panthers
I don’t know
Neither do you

I’m sorry but I keep reading these like they’re poems. Am I supposed to be reading them as poems?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m sorry but I keep reading these like they’re poems. Am I supposed to be reading them as poems?

Jiri is eyeing vaccine 2, and so ready for the coffee house open mics