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Old 10-22-2025, 10:29 PM   #10321
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I am still very high on Honzek. I think he had become a bit too tentative after his injuries. There is no guarantee this won't happen again, but as he is filling out, hopefully he will trust his body more and be more engaged. So far, I see him doing this. This has been my one and only criticism of him in the last year.


I bet that he becomes an important part of the solution for the Flames. He has many really good attributes, and as he gains confidence and experience, I bet he starts taking noticeable steps. I think he gets sent down again when Pospisil returns, but that's ok. Having all of these talented kids playing together on the farm bodes well - get them to develop chemistry and feel comfortable with one another. It is a fantastic way to develop.


I just wish there weren't as many bodies up on the Flames so that these kids could get 5 game looks to help them develop.
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Old 10-23-2025, 05:59 AM   #10322
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He is average at a lot of things, not really elite at any. Flames against got lured by the Big=Good spell against. I think he ends up being a 3rd liner, but again that’s just my viewpoint.
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Old 10-23-2025, 06:14 AM   #10323
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He is average at a lot of things, not really elite at any. Flames against got lured by the Big=Good spell against. I think he ends up being a 3rd liner, but again that’s just my viewpoint.
Big = good is a lazy, and tired, critique.

First of all, as unfathomable as it may be, size does matter in the NHL. If you had two players of similar attributes, age, and projections and one was 6’4” while the other was 5’10”, I’d go out on a limb and say 10/10 nhl GM’s would take the 6’4” player.

You can criticize other qualities of the player but suggesting the Flames took Honzek primarily on size is lame.

Further at pick 16 is it all that unreasonable for an organization like the Flames, who at times in their history have been quite conservative, not taken the swing on a guy like Honzek? What was his floor? What was his ceiling? You have to balance all these things. I think you can rest assured the Flsmrs didn’t just look at his profile and say ‘this Honzek kid is 6’4”, done.’
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Old 10-23-2025, 06:22 AM   #10324
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I think that is being very optimistic. I see almost zero upside with Honzek.
I've never been a big Honzek guy but he doesn't seem totally out of place in the NHL and has been a little snake bitten. This is part of the process breaking in young players. Prospects that hit the ground running are the exception, not the norm. A lot of the best players in today's NHL had a gradual curve. Lets not make this rebuild more difficult by expecting the prospects to instantly become difference makers in the NHL. It takes time and patience.
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I don't think we can quantify any flames players offensive capabilities with how the entire team is snake bitten and cannot finish some good chances.

Honzek on that front at least has something else going for him in that he's turning into a reliable PKer which at his age is a pretty big deal. Once the Flames offense finally gets rolling, then we can talk about who or why they're not good. Overall this has to be a pretty big wake up call for the coaches, there's way more firepower in this line up than what they've shown within the first ten games of the season.
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Old 10-23-2025, 07:25 AM   #10326
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Very hard to quantify any offensive upside when the team plays the most defensive system leaguewide (or close to it) and still cant put up points.
You insert a few of our highly offensive guys onto a roster that's scoring and playing possession game and I think they look completely different.

What scares me is that in his post-game presser yesterday, someone asked Huska point blank about his shot quality:

"You seem to have the shot quantity, you're shooting more than them having the higher quantity, is quality the next part you have to work on?"

Huska - "Um.. no" - "For us we need to commit to going to the net harder, when you're not scoring goals you tend to be more perimeter, you have to be more consistent getting pucks towards the net and getting in there before you can move on to the other stuff"

Not surprising, but sheds some light on where he thinks the offence should come from which is what we've been discussing for a while now. Volume -> guys in front -> dirty area goals as the priority.

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Very hard to quantify any offensive upside when the team plays the most defensive system leaguewide (or close to it) and still cant put up points.
You insert a few of our highly offensive guys onto a roster that's scoring and playing possession game and I think they look completely different.

What scares me is that in his post-game presser yesterday, someone asked Huska point blank about his shot quality:

"You seem to have the shot quantity, you're shooting more than them having the higher quantity, is quality the next part you have to work on?"

Huska - "Um.. no" - "For us we need to commit to going to the net harder, when you're not scoring goals you tend to be more perimeter, you have to be more consistent getting pucks towards the net and getting in there before you can move on to the other stuff"

Not surprising, but sheds some light on where he thinks the offence should come from which is what we've been discussing for a while now. Volume -> guys in front -> dirty area goals as the priority.
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Old 10-23-2025, 08:16 AM   #10328
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Not surprising, but sheds some light on where he thinks the offence should come from which is what we've been discussing for a while now. Volume -> guys in front -> dirty area goals as the priority.
What’s the difference to you between “quality shots” and getting guys inside to ensure they aren’t just shooting from the perimeter?
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Old 10-23-2025, 08:23 AM   #10329
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IDK, for as long as I have watched hockey (long time) crashing the net to get goals has been a good thing; a surefire way to break a slump. It's punishing and hard to do.

Our guys are not beating anyone with their shots right now.

I don't see the problem with what Huska said.
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What’s the difference to you between “quality shots” and getting guys inside to ensure they aren’t just shooting from the perimeter?
One is holding the puck and trying to actually make passes to enter the scoring area and generate chances with east-west movement and royal road passes.

The other is just funneling pucks to the net from all areas and hoping you can get rebounds.

Both are perfectly fine approaches...kind of feels like the Flames have been trying the later for over two seasons now though...and we rank bottom 5 in the NHL under Huska in GF/60.

Kind of wish different players would have a bit of a different approach, I don't think crashing the net is going to be super effective for the Zary, Frost, and Sharangovich's of the world.

Works for Klapka, Farabee, etc which is probably why those guys look better / more effective in Huska's system.

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Old 10-23-2025, 08:24 AM   #10331
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One is holding the puck and trying to actually make passes to enter the scoring area and generate chances with east-west movement and royal road passes.

The other is just funneling pucks to the net from all areas and hoping you can get rebounds.
How is the latter not the “perimeter” shots he’s saying are an issue?
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How is the latter not the “perimeter” shots he’s saying are an issue?
He's saying the lack of traffic and crashing the net is the issue, not where the shots are coming from.

Aka the shots are fine but not working because the other players on the ice aren't generating traffic or getting to rebounds.

Which is a valid concern for sure.
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He's saying the lack of traffic and crashing the net is the issue, not where the shots are coming from.

Aka the shots are fine but not working because the other players on the ice aren't generating traffic or getting to rebounds.

Which is a valid concern for sure.
He expressly said perimeter play wasn't a good thing.
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