huge win for the Democrats in Florida, by the way - Donna Deegan won the mayor's race in Jacksonville against a DeSantis endorsed Republican. GOP had the mayor for 26 of the last 30 years there.
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Democrat Donna Deegan won the Jacksonville mayor’s race Tuesday night, a shocking upset that hands Florida Democrats a major shot of energy less than six months after they were trounced in the 2022 midterms and considered left for dead by the national party.
Deegan came into Election Day as the decided underdog against Republican Daniel Davis, who is the head of the city’s Chamber of Commerce and had a significant fundraising advantage. He was endorsed by Gov. Ron DeSantis, but that support was lukewarm. DeSantis did not do events with Davis or put his political muscle behind his candidacy.
With all of the city’s 186 precincts reporting, Deegan had a 52% to 48% advantage over Davis, who was vying to replace current Republican Mayor Lenny Curry, who was term-limited.
So what? None of that meant anything in the moment nor does it mean he deserved to be murdered. The reliability of some people insisting on posthumously assassinating the character of the victim in these situations is expected but disheartening nonetheless
Patterns of human behavior have consequences. Don't tell me he "brushed a hand off a shoulder" and was charged when in fact he smashed a senior citizen in the face.
I don't know what happened on that train, and he didn't deserve to die. But I look forward to learning the details and nuance, which sadly seems to be lacking in the video above.
It doesn't matter a whole lot, really. Even if he was being violent (which there's no indication of so far), there are lots of ways several people can restrain a person without killing him. And when you put someone in a choke hold for several minutes, you're creating a situation where you might seriously harm or kill them and there are consequences for that.
People get charged with manslaughter if they get in a fight and the other person cracks their head on the pavement and dies, so why is this any different? There's arguably much more negligence in this instance where multiple people were restraining this person and he still kept pressure on his neck for several minutes.
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It doesn't matter a whole lot, really. Even if he was being violent (which there's no indication of so far), there are lots of ways several people can restrain a person without killing him. And when you put someone in a choke hold for several minutes, you're creating a situation where you might seriously harm or kill them and there are consequences for that.
People get charged with manslaughter if they get in a fight and the other person cracks their head on the pavement and dies, so why is this any different? There's arguably much more negligence in this instance where multiple people were restraining this person and he still kept pressure on his neck for several minutes.
I've gotta wonder though, is that something the military teaches? Seems they wouldn't be very interested in non-lethal hand to hand combat. Guy was trained to kill, he did what he knows.
I dunno, it all really sounds a lot like that old, “she shouldn’t have dressed like that” form of character assassination.
The point is that unless Neely was actually violent to people on that train, the situation was needlessly escalated again because of “feels” and this American attitude of “I feel threatened, so I had to kill the threat” combined with “everything feels threatening!”.
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Patterns of human behavior have consequences. Don't tell me he "brushed a hand off a shoulder" and was charged when in fact he smashed a senior citizen in the face.
I don't know what happened on that train, and he didn't deserve to die. But I look forward to learning the details and nuance, which sadly seems to be lacking in the video above.
Again this is a classic case of posthumously vilifying a victim of a murder. Your assertion that “patterns have consequences” is meaningless in the context of this murder and the situation surrounding it but I’m sure the nuance of “man choked to death” is deep and fulfilling.
“A guy was bugging someone so it’s ok he was murdered” isn’t really a world I’m a huge fan of being a part of but for some it’s a line they’re willing to cross.
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From reading about the incident, it sounds like some passengers were afraid, but the guy didn't actually harm anyone or threaten harm, therefore force wasn't necessary. If this happens, it might be inconvenient, but you call security or the police, and remove yourself from the situation. You can't just become a vigilante... this isn't the wild west.
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I've gotta wonder though, is that something the military teaches? Seems they wouldn't be very interested in non-lethal hand to hand combat. Guy was trained to kill, he did what he knows.
Yeah, he also knows throwing grenades into buildings before he walks in, but I suspect that kind of thing would be frowned upon in civilian life.
The history of the man killed, and the training of the man who did the killing are completely irrelevant here.
The only relevant facts are:
1) Was the man who was killed an immediate threat to anyone on the train
2) Was it reasonable for the guy who killed him to keep choking him for several minutes
Even if the answer to #1 is yes, I think the answer to #2 is probably still no.
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That Floridian mayor lost because he didn’t seek Trump’s endorsement. This from Trump despite the lengthy list of Trump-endorsed candidates who have lost elections (headed by Kari Lake).
i dunno, it all really sounds a lot like that old, “she shouldn’t have dressed like that” form of character assassination.
The point is that unless neely was actually violent to people on that train, the situation was needlessly escalated again because of “feels” and this american attitude of “i feel threatened, so i had to kill the black man combined with “everything feels threatening!”.
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Desantis is too busy trying to act like a normal person (and doing a poor job of it) to worry about things like that. I guess he has been reading his own press about him being wooden and unlikable, and this is the result:
Florida really has allowed itself to become a bit of a ####hole and this is only going to get worse as they continue to elect extremist governments. I feel bad for the employees that already relocated from SoCal to Florida for this proposed project.
He had a history of violent behavior. Feels relevant to the circumstances, no?
I think it’s terrible what happened. But it’s not as simple as “a man asked for food and water and was murdered” which is what the twitter video made it sound like.
I don’t think it is really relevant as I don’t think the guy who killed him knew beforehand that he had a criminal history
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