Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I think it's a screen cap from a political ad that I think I saw on TV or youtube or whatever. It's supposed to be a stormy black cloud background with Danielle Smith's head on a weather vane pointing in different directions to signify she keeps changing her mind and direction aimlessly or something.

It's the stormy cloud background that makes it hard to see at a distance. If they made a simpler background I think it would be far more obvious.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655912150945103878

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by curves2000

One trend I have come across some friends and people in my day to day talk/work/social circle is a concern with the UCP but unease with the NDP.

A lot of people are not happy with the UCP and Smith in general but feel unease about some of the social issues, wokeness and perceived softness on crime, drugs, violent offenders, environment/climate policies etc.

Smith's and the UCP performance has been quite poor across the board on a whole host of issues but it does seem SOME of their messaging is resonating with some people on what I call common sense issues.

I do think a leader and a party that was down the middle and more mainstream/common sense like the Alberta party could do well if only they had more airtime, a leader who was better known.

So wokeness is a common sense issue? The NDP had the only common sense approach to the carbon tax. Soft on drugs? By using programs that have been shown to help where they are used?

Anyone supporting the UCP on these issues isn't using common sense.

Wokeness.. Good lord.. Anyone saying wokeness an issue is just looking for things to cry about, which is funny because they are typically the ones saying society is too soft.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655912150945103878

"Smith, with or without her sovereignty act, is the best champion Albertans have at the moment to stand up to the federal Liberals and the Alberta “progressives” who would raise taxes, ban guns, cripple the energy sector, block pipelines, limit the use of farm fertilizers, censor the internet, increase spending and continue to impose pandemic mandates"


It would be much better if this wasn't all nonsense. They aren't blocking pipelines, the only guns they are banning are ones that serve no purpose (my entire family hunts and they have no issue with the guns being proposed currently), the NDP didn't cripple the energy industry, and no one is or has proposed banning fertilizers.



Are all conservatives just terrified little cowards? This is straight up fear mongering garbage.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Muta

Love seeing the abundance of NDP lawn signs in Killarney. Almost 3-1 in number to the UCP.

Yup, in fact on my street, and the ones to the left and right, not one UCP sign at all.

[Geraldsh]

Spent a couple days in Cold Lake; saw an equal number of NDP & UCP signs. Pleasantly surprised, I expected more blue.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by edslunch

It's likely an outlier, but where are the outliers for the NDP? If they are going to win they should be building a bit of lead, at least in a few polls. They haven't done that recently and that spells bad news as far as I'm concerned.

Not correct. They were ahead provincially in the Leger poll that was released just a few days ago. Mainstreet also had the NDP leading in Calgary in that same poll, which makes about as much sense as the second season of Twin Peaks. This was also the only recent poll where respondents viewed Notley less favourably than Smith, so I would take it with a small grain of salt.

We also need to remember there will be statistical noise. An election that is for all intents and purposes “tied” never quite looks tied in the polls—you will see single digit leads for either party distributed more or less randomly, and it will be tricky to spot a trend or movement until after it has happened. I think this is going to be a very close election.

[MarchHare]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong: shouldn't a province-wide poll that shows a tied result be good news for the NDP? We know the UCP will win ridings in rural Alberta by a 70-30 margin (or more), which is greater than the percentage the NDP will win ridings in their Edmonton stronghold. So if province-wide polls are showing a tie, that would indicate there will be a lot of 53-47 wins for the NDP in Calgary ridings, right?

In other words, it doesn't matter if the UCP makes their province-wide support look better by running up the score in Drumheller-Stettler and Olds-Didsbury-Three Hills if the NDP are able to eek out close wins in Calgary-Currie and Calgary-Varsity.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Torture

How long until Smith threatens to sue the Calgary Herald?

Remember when she threatened the CBC with defamation? Whatever happened to that lawsuit Yoho?

Originally Posted by timun

Remember when Danielle Smith gave the CBC an April 28 ultimatum that if they didn't retract their story about Smith talking to justice officials about Coutts blockaders, she'd sue? I 'member...

T+10 days and counting...

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Not correct. They were ahead provincially in the Leger poll that was released just a few days ago. Mainstreet also had the NDP leading in Calgary in that same poll, which makes about as much sense as the second season of Twin Peaks. This was also the only recent poll where respondents viewed Notley less favourably than Smith, so I would take it with a small grain of salt.

We also need to remember there will be statistical noise. An election that is for all intents and purposes “tied” never quite looks tied in the polls—you will see single digit leads for either party distributed more or less randomly, and it will be tricky to spot a trend or movement until after it has happened. I think this is going to be a very close election.

Thanks, I missed that one. Maybe I’m just preparing myself for the worst.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Thanks, I missed that one. Maybe I’m just preparing myself for the worst.

I hear you.

[Bunk]

She’s a crazy idiot, but she’s our crazy idiot. Is that the message here? Lololol

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655912150945103878

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Someone correct me if I'm wrong: shouldn't a province-wide poll that shows a tied result be good news for the NDP? We know the UCP will win ridings in rural Alberta by a 70-30 margin (or more), which is greater than the percentage the NDP will win ridings in their Edmonton stronghold. So if province-wide polls are showing a tie, that would indicate there will be a lot of 53-47 wins for the NDP in Calgary ridings, right?

In other words, it doesn't matter if the UCP makes their province-wide support look better by running up the score in Drumheller-Stettler and Olds-Didsbury-Three Hills if the NDP are able to eek out close wins in Calgary-Currie and Calgary-Varsity.

Not quite that simple; while the UCP have a large margin in a lot of rural ridings, the margin is even bigger the other way in a lot of Edmonton ridings. Also I believe the population/riding is smaller in most of the rural ridings. Ultimately it won't be the popular vote percentage that matters, it is who wins in Calgary and the smaller cities.

[DFO]

What is the Alberta way of life? Keeping taxes artificially low by burning through all of our resource revenue? And then having the gall to think we’re prudent fiscal managers?

[timun]

Originally Posted by GGG

Noted socialist Rick Bell.

The cognitive dissonance is impressive. "The most vile disgraceful hit piece I have ever seen" is literally quoting her own bloody words.

An Erick Estrada Mean Spirited Take™: anyone who believes Rick Bell wrote "a vile disgraceful hit piece" about our Dear Leader is either an absolute and utter moron or a brainwashed fascist.

[timun]

Originally Posted by DFO

What is the Alberta way of life? Keeping taxes artificially low by burning through all of our resource revenue? And then having the gall to think we’re prudent fiscal managers?

The Alberta Advantage™, baby! WOO!

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by DFO

What is the Alberta way of life? Keeping taxes artificially low by burning through all of our resource revenue? And then having the gall to think we’re prudent fiscal managers?

It’s whatever Yoho says (retweets) it is.

[Spurs]

If you have to resort to scare tactics that the NDP will close schools, have mask mandates and threaten some mythical "Alberta Way of Life" I think that says everything you need to know about how weak the UCP position is.

That also ignores all the flat out lies that the UCP will be better for the economy, Oil and Gas and spending, which we all know is BS.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

So wokeness is a common sense issue? The NDP had the only common sense approach to the carbon tax. Soft on drugs? By using programs that have been shown to help where they are used?

Anyone supporting the UCP on these issues isn't using common sense.

Wokeness.. Good lord.. Anyone saying wokeness an issue is just looking for things to cry about, which is funny because they are typically the ones saying society is too soft.

I think some people are down playing just how prevalent and how far reaching some woke/social issues are in today's society and some people are speaking out. Some aspect of those policies are long overdue, needed etc but some have gone off the deep end.

A recent government environmental report for the federal government's pledge to plant 2 billion tree's by 2030 is pretty much a joke. Something like 1% of the progress has been made because of government bureaucracy which includes things like a comprehensive gender/LQBTQ study.


When people see the crime, the drugs, the meth heads, the social problems downtown and on transit, on the balance of probability more people see a "lock em up" approach or a tough on crime/mandatory drug treatment as a better overall approach to safe supply/treatment only when ready. Wither or not that is the best approach, I don't know. I just think certain things are human nature. If you or your family were a victim of a serious crime, are you asking why was this person out on bail/not in prison or are you wondering if this person had access to safe supply or if their gender/BIOPIC analysis was conducted for their bail review?

CNN is launching a series next week called " What happened to San Francisco??" Looking at the issues about how this great American city has become a filthy nightmare of crime, drugs, homelessness and mental health issues.

So yes, I do think some Alberta voters are very concerned with the UCP, Smith and the overall performance but might be more concerned with the potential policies of the NDP on some social/woke style issues. I am sure the reverse is also true.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DFO

What is the Alberta way of life? Keeping taxes artificially low by burning through all of our resource revenue? And then having the gall to think we’re prudent fiscal managers?

You are going to have to ask an Old Stock Albertan about that.