[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[Goriders]

Not sure how he could swing it but Byram in Andersson out would we some magic by the Conman.

Possibly one of our many young wingers out for Byram and a young center back for Andersson. Could clean up a messy roster.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Royle9

It’s a dangerous game, we went from a position of power heading into the deadline last year, then again at the draft but that quickly changed and now we’re stuck with a long drawn out stalemate.

Things were close, on both fronts but now sadly have cooled off.
Rasmus’s stance on wishing to not extend prior to his UFA status has essentially pigeonholed Calgary once again (Hanifin 2.0) which counters the leverage of a good trade prior to the start of the year. This could turn into a situation where he’s held to the deadline to try and maximize value.. but not the value he’s had previously.

I hate to say it but I feel like the false hope last year and holding onto Andersson for the stretch run will come back to haunt us.
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It's the usual Calgary special. I've actually appreciated how Conroy has done as GM so far He mostly settled into his role and goal for this team.

But as soon as I heard the comments leading up to the deadline of "rewarding the team for fighting for a playoff spot by not trading talent away right now" I was like FFFFFUUUUUUU*******KKKKK, Craig, don't f'in do that when you're executing a rebuild. But now it doesn't matter, we're here now and have to salvage something for Andersson, which feels weird to type for a top pairing D-man (top 4 on contender) with a year left at under $3mil if we retain, which we'd better.

Frustrating situation, but here we are, as we usually are. Let's just get future assets and move the **** on. I just hope it's futures and not some silly "hockey trade" where we get some 24-27 year old D'man to replace Andersson.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Current scenario: all the Usual Suspects on CP are out of their minds bc Conny didn’t do something LAST season for “reasons” that make sense only to them.

I’m prepared to judge based on results, not fantasy. My assumption is that the GM and the player are FAR better poised to decide what works…or doesn’t…for themselves. So far, the GM has done exactly what he said he would, to the extent possible. It won’t please Team Tank, but that’s not his stated intention either.

Prepare for more whinging! It could be a long summer.

How in the actual **** is feeling like they made a mistake not doing something last season because of "reasons that only make sense to themselves" some kind of delusional fan take? Like what kind of dismissive crap is that? I know there's a few negative posters on here with high post counts, but lately it feels more aggravating hearing any criticism shot down as stupid and annoying. Conroy is awesome, I believe he will be a good GM and truly believe in and am cheering for this build despite wanting a full tear down with top 5 picks initially.

But there is criticism as there should be for a relatively new GM, just allow all the comments positive and negative without trying to police Calgarypuck into positive only commentary. You guys don't think you do it, or believe it's right because positive is better than negative, but you definitely do it from the top (bingo) down. Let's just move forward by addressing each post on it's own rather than "OOOOHHHH THE NEGATIVE CROWD COMES OUT TO SAY THIS !!!!!!! It's so friggin stupid. (no offense Bingo but you reference "the crowd" (you tribalize) more than anyone while dismissing "negative" posters, while many "positive" posters are also cocksure and arrogant in their views of the Flames and dismissiveness of criticism. And I say that respectfully and hopefully it's taken that way. I say all that fully understanding that a few ultra negative fans likely lead to those emotions, but still.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by bluejays

To me it's also apparent that Conroy is still learning. You know he'll have to be more cutthroat down the road should a similar situation arise. I think he's shown how astute he is and whatever lesson learned here is probably not lost on him. After initially being pissed that it slipped away, I'm fine with most of whatever happens now. After Andersson I just hope more veteran dominoes fall.

Oh 100%. He is nice and thought he had open dialogue and an understanding of mutual agreeance with Andersson to work towards a deal to another team. And when the last year opened up on his contract, Andersson and his agent went cut throat and cut the Flames at the knees to get everything that Rasmus wants.

Easy lesson that needed to happen. Just don't do that again when a valuable asset that doesn't make sense to re-sign is a couple years out. Start shopping. Shop hard and take the best you can get in that 1-2 year range left. We're rebuilding/retooling and he made no sense to extend. Don't reward the team by holding on to that asset because they're fighting for a playoff spot but are in no way contending, that's emotional and silly. Get your assets and move on, let the team grow with players that make sense for the build.

Two years out: A playoff run plus one more season with a playoff run AND a lot of time to speak to Andersson as an organization for a playoff contender, while paying $2.4mil with 50% retained would have been a gold mine. But we spoke of culture, reward, and respect between player/agent/organization and ultimately player and agent laughed after their platitudes and cut us out so they can control salary and destination. I like Conroy, though. He'll learn big from this.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by jayswin

How in the actual **** is feeling like they made a mistake not doing something last season because of "reasons that only make sense to themselves" some kind of delusional fan take? Like what kind of dismissive crap is that?

Who knows what's right as we're all just guessing as we watch the rebuild unfold, but to claim dealing Andersson with two years is delusion that only makes sense to those that suggested it is so F-ing cocky and arrogant. Bingo will approve, though, for sure.

I wanted them to start selling in 2022-2023 I'm not sure if anyone else was there with me though. The team had bad vibes, wasn't making the playoffs, and a ton of good supporting cast players. The 7 UFA situation was looming and could've been handled earlier

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If Forsling isn't an elite 1D in this league then nobody is. He's a top 10 defenseman in this league without even batting an eye. I can't think of 10 better defensemen in the league at the moment.

It's no slight on Rasmus. As someone else said, he's a good 2/3 on a contender.

Top 10 isn’t elite to me. Elite isn’t really a numbers game to me anyway - it’s just skill level. I’m talking Makar/Bourque/Orr/Potvin when I say elite. But really, I derailed the topic by mentioning Forsling instead of a dozen other top pairing guys who are equivalent to Andersson. If Andersson is a 2/3 guy he’s top pairing. So is Weegar.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Oh 100%. He is nice and thought he had open dialogue and an understanding of mutual agreeance with Andersson to work towards a deal to another team. And when the last year opened up on his contract, Andersson and his agent went cut throat and cut the Flames at the knees to get everything that Rasmus wants.

Easy lesson that needed to happen. Just don't do that again when a valuable asset that doesn't make sense to re-sign is a couple years out. Start shopping. Shop hard and take the best you can get in that 1-2 year range left. We're rebuilding/retooling and he made no sense to extend. Don't reward the team by holding on to that asset because they're fighting for a playoff spot but are in no way contending, that's emotional and silly. Get your assets and move on, let the team grow with players that make sense for the build.

Two years out: A playoff run plus one more season with a playoff run AND a lot of time to speak to Andersson as an organization for a playoff contender, while paying $2.4mil with 50% retained would have been a gold mine. But we spoke of culture, reward, and respect between player/agent/organization and ultimately player and agent laughed after their platitudes and cut us out so they can control salary and destination. I like Conroy, though. He'll learn big from this.

He already had the lesson from Hanifin. The only flow that makes sense is that he thought Andersson would be more valuable at last year’s deadline vs the offseason but then pivoted when the team was in the playoff race.

[DreDayPucks]

Is this trade still close?

[CaptainYooh]

I wonder what is the temperature of Byram talks now?

[dustygoon]

When bracketing the cost of Byram, Casey Mittelstadt was the return in the last trade when Byram was younger/optionality value was higher. He's good and probably better away from Buffalo, but Adams just isn't going to get a bag of loot for him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DreDayPucks

Is this trade still close?

Maybe with St. Louis seems like they want to trade Kyrou but his NTC is now activated and he is not waiving for Buffalo.

If the ask is Zary and Craig has zero intention of moving him I don't see how it was ever close unless Buffalo changed the terms.

[DreDayPucks]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Maybe with St. Louis seems like they want to trade Kyrou but his NTC is now activated and he is not waiving for Buffalo.

If the ask is Zary and Craig has zero intention of moving him I don't see how it was ever close unless Buffalo changed the terms.

Feel like id trade zary. Maybe im in the minority 🤷#♂️

[SuperMatt18]

I wonder if Andersson was healthy at the deadline last year too if it would have changed things, because it's also tough to move a player playing with a broken bone in his leg.

It needed to be done by the start of the draft this year, not quite sure why Conroy felt he could hold on to him past draft day.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I wonder if Andersson was healthy at the deadline last year too if it would have changed things, because it's also tough to move a player playing with a broken bone in his leg.

It needed to be done by the start of the draft this year, not quite sure why Conroy felt he could hold on to him past draft day.

Why?
If the only deal he had on the table was Vegas' crappy deal why make that deal?

At the draft it seems like teams wanted to acquire him to re-sign him. But Rasmus wasn't willing to do that with most.

So now the attention shifts to selling him as a 1 year asset to expand the market.

Why did it HAVE to be done by the start of the draft?

[traptor]

I wouldn't trade Zary for Byram, because we need Zary's ceiling more then we need Byram's ceiling, and I think they have the same chance of hitting their celings.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why?
If the only deal he had on the table was Vegas' crappy deal why make that deal?

At the draft it seems like teams wanted to acquire him to re-sign him. But Rasmus wasn't willing to do that with most.

So now the attention shifts to selling him as a 1 year asset to expand the market.

Why did it HAVE to be done by the start of the draft?

I still think it maximizes return to have it done at the draft.

31 teams had space to take on Andersson at $2.275M.

If he's not willing to re-sign you have to pivot to moving him as a rental.

The longer it goes the more the market shrinks IMO. Teams have already now made moves in Free Agency that has changed their position (San Jose is one example).

Once the season starts other teams will fall out of the playoff race and won't be looking to add a rental, that also shrinks your market.

IMO to maximize value you would have moved him at the 2024 draft...they missed the boat on that.

Then I think the next best place to move him was the 2025 draft ... and IMO they missed the boat on that too. I just don't think the offers get better the closer you get to the deadline.

Maybe in a world where the cap was flat and teams were too cap constrained to take him on, then waiting to the deadline would have opened up more of a market. But I think with the cap the way it is right now that you would have had more teams interested on draft day.

I also think sometimes we overvalue the quantity of picks over the quality of picks...maybe he could get a bigger return at the deadline..but if it's like pick 25, and a 2nd that is actually less valuable than a single 1st round pick in the top 15.

So the other risk of waiting is that it likely means the 1st round pick you get ends up being worse, because teams that are contenders and picking 22-32 are the teams more likely to move their firsts at the deadline.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I just don't see it that way.
At the draft, teams are looking to acquire players more as longer term solutions. And it was clear, for various reasons, the available market for that was very small because of Rasmus' reluctance to re-sign.

So now you expand the market of potential buyers by focusing on his more of a rental. I'm not sure where between now and the TDL the value is maximized but based on the offers we've heard about (the Kings offer and the Vegas offer) I don't see why they can't get something close to that.

There is risk of course. Bad season. Injury. Etc. So no question that's the downside to all this.

[Hells Bells]

I'm not so sure Zary is or will ever be as good as many on here believe. I'd trade him for a top 4 D in a heartbeat.

Zary tops out as a 45-50pt player IMO. Hope I'm wrong though.

[Toonage]

I see Zary and Byram as being similar in some ways. Both are young, and we don't know what their ceilings are yet as both have had significant injuries or setbacks and both presently play for retooling teams.

With Byram at least we know he has played in the Cup finals and seemingly elevated his game there. But this isn't Colorado and neither is Buffalo. Kadri could probably speak to management about what Bryam is or isn't.

Would seem that Conroy has no interest though in moving Zary for Byram. Which I agree with. But it wouldn't shock me if that were the basis of a deal. Based on the aforementioned similarities. Both sides take on risk.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

I'm not so sure Zary is or will ever be as good as many on here believe. I'd trade him for a top 4 D in a heartbeat.

Zary tops out as a 45-50pt player IMO. Hope I'm wrong though.

I think Zary's ceiling is a Trochek/Kadri caliber.
So a 2c, decently responsible, dynamic and can score, some bite, probably averages out around 60pts with one or two 30g seasons in there.

Byram feels like he will have a Morgan Rielly career to me. Which is still good, but I'd rather have the center for this org.

We already have 3/4 of our top 4 D locked longterm right now.