Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Essentially there was growing resentment towards her among young female players who felt there were better and younger options for the national team and that Wickenheiser had played too long. There was a feeling that she was being gifted her spot on the team due to her name, and not because she was the best person currently available for the job. There was a feeling, rightly or wrongly, that she was "stealing" jobs from younger players.

She also took a ton of heat (for the same reasons) when she played CIS with the Dinos in her mid-30's. CIS is a way bigger deal for the female game than it is for the men's, so I can understand that.

Yeah I remember all of that. I’m not sure I see the connection with Hayley being selfish in her playing career and how that would impact her ability to help lead an organization like HC. She may not have a business background but she’s very intelligent, became a medical doctor after her playing career and has the lived experience of being a woman’s hockey player.

I wouldn’t discount someone like that to have a positive impact from the top down.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I expect most large firms would have seen what was happening and guided her through the process beforehand. It doesn't look like this happened.

It certainly wasn't a surprise that this was coming.

I don't see it.
#1 it would be infantalizing her. if they hired her they must trust her judgment to some degree
#2 what are they going to tell her? Use common sense? Don't be an idiot? Take the obvious approach of accountability/we're working to change?
#3 one could argue it's borderline unethical* (maybe too strong a word) to micromanage/influence her in that role. AFAIK she was appointed as an individual, not in her capacity as a partner at that firm.

I don't see why they'd assume she was going to mess this up. At most I could see her bosses offering to be a sounding board, but it would seem an odd step to 'intervene'

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Can HW be AGM of the Leafs and head HC at the same time? I'm not sure what orgs she has run.

I'd say Jayna Hefford, who heads the PWHPA, or maybe Emilie Castonguay.

I dunno, the two womens leagues has been a bit of a mess. Which isn't disqualifying in itself, but it doesn't exactly demonstrate an ability to navigate conflicts & BS to achieve the 'best' possible outcome.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Yeah I remember all of that. I’m not sure I see the connection with Hayley being selfish in her playing career and how that would impact her ability to help lead an organization like HC. She may not have a business background but she’s very intelligent, became a medical doctor after her playing career and has the lived experience of being a woman’s hockey player.

I wouldn’t discount someone like that to have a positive impact from the top down.

I'm just thinking that it's bad optics. If people thought she didn't earn her spot on the team they probably won't buy that she's the most qualified to run the organization.

I don't deny at all that she's had an amazing career and has lots to offer. But I think Hockey Canada needs a facelift. Wickenheiser isn't it. I think she's doing more good for the female game as AGM with the Leafs, anyway.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I don't see it.
#1 it would be infantalizing her. if they hired her they must trust her judgment to some degree
#2 what are they going to tell her? Use common sense? Don't be an idiot? Take the obvious approach of accountability/we're working to change?
#3 one could argue it's borderline unethical* (maybe too strong a word) to micromanage/influence her in that role. AFAIK she was appointed as an individual, not in her capacity as a partner at that firm.

I don't see why they'd assume she was going to mess this up. At most I could see her bosses offering to be a sounding board, but it would seem an odd step to 'intervene'

They needed to discuss with her what the position of the board was. Her capacity as a partner in a large law firm absolutely played a part in her appointment. You could always see that this was going bad for Hockey Canada, and this would be a very charged interview for her. She (and Hockey Canada) was already looking bad before that interview.

But I think your reference to "sounding board" is a good one. I think she needed to discuss with professionals what her position was and get feedback on how it sounded.

She and her firm have taken a huge reputational hit. A little foresight may have prevented that.

[GioforPM]

Aird Berlis has 161 partners, a lot of whom I suspect are too buried in their work to even know much about this scandal at all. There's a pretty good chance they didn't even know she was scheduled for hearings. They certainly wouldn't require her to vet her response with them.

I doubt she suffers much, if any fallout. She's a regulatory lawyer who deals with municipal planning tribunals. This won't affect her or her billings at all. She was just involved because she was a hockey player at some point.

[dustygoon]

How do people like Andrea Skinner get to this point in their careers? Hockey. Cornell. Law school. Municipal land law. DEI committee at her law firm. Hockey Canada board.

Playing hockey and being a lawyer does not make for a good person for a BoD without some experience in oversight.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

How do people like Andrea Skinner get to this point in their careers? Hockey. Cornell. Law school. Municipal land law. DEI committee at her law firm. Hockey Canada board.

Playing hockey and being a lawyer does not make for a good person for a BoD without some experience in oversight.

Contacts? Her expertise certainly isn’t corporate governance or even sports law. Speaking from experience it doesn’t take much to be on a committee within a law firm. It’s warm body kind of stuff on a lot of them.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Can HW be AGM of the Leafs and head HC at the same time? I'm not sure what orgs she has run.

she's also currently an Emergency Medicine RESIDENT at the UofT. I get that she's apparently an impressive person, but there are only so many full time jobs that any one person can safely pursue, or would lead one to wonder how much commitment is really required for each

[Lubicon]

Bauer now the most recent sponsor to drop Hockey Canada, they will no longer be the official equipment of the men's national team.

Among other sponsors who have left (lots of them) are Tim Hortons (sponsor Timbits program), Telus (sponsor U18 male national championships) and Esso (sponsor U18 female national championship).

So good job Hockey Canada, this is having an affect on youth hockey as well.

[powderjunkie]

I'd be looking at someone with an education administration background (university president, school board chief superintendent, etc.)

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Aird Berlis has 161 partners, a lot of whom I suspect are too buried in their work to even know much about this scandal at all. There's a pretty good chance they didn't even know she was scheduled for hearings. They certainly wouldn't require her to vet her response with them.

I doubt she suffers much, if any fallout. She's a regulatory lawyer who deals with municipal planning tribunals. This won't affect her or her billings at all. She was just involved because she was a hockey player at some point.

Don't forget Hockey Canada retained a major "crisis management" firm since this story broke earlier in the summer. Looks like they dropped the ball with their advice to the management and Board, otherwise things wouldn't have gotten to this point.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Don't forget Hockey Canada retained a major "crisis management" firm since this story broke earlier in the summer. Looks like they dropped the ball with their advice to the management and Board, otherwise things wouldn't have gotten to this point.

I think firing them should be also on the list. Perhaps it was a firm owned by Steve Simmons?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Don't forget Hockey Canada retained a major "crisis management" firm since this story broke earlier in the summer. Looks like they dropped the ball with their advice to the management and Board, otherwise things wouldn't have gotten to this point.

I’d like to start a revolutionary crisis management firm that simply says “Apologize for fing up, put in place some corrective measures and tell the truth”.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’d like to start a revolutionary crisis management firm that simply says “Apologize for fing up, put in place some corrective measures and tell the truth”.

Not going to get a lot of work coming your way with that attitude.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Don't forget Hockey Canada retained a major "crisis management" firm since this story broke earlier in the summer. Looks like they dropped the ball with their advice to the management and Board, otherwise things wouldn't have gotten to this point.

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest HC did not listen to any advice given to them.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Bob Nicholson has been subpoenaed...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1585396341920124928

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Bob Nicholson has been subpoenaed...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1585396341920124928

About time. It’s his mess.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think there needs to be some hockey connection because they run grassroots hockey as well. Though I suppose the NHL hired Bettman with no hockey experience at all.

No major sports league, outside of Hockey Canada, has hired someone who played the sport as commissioner. NBA, NFL, NHL or MLB. Probably a good idea to hire business people and labour lawyers.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I'd be looking at someone with an education administration background (university president, school board chief superintendent, etc.)

This is a basic and easy leap, but what about Nenshi?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Essentially there was growing resentment towards her among young female players who felt there were better and younger options for the national team and that Wickenheiser had played too long. There was a feeling that she was being gifted her spot on the team due to her name, and not because she was the best person currently available for the job. There was a feeling, rightly or wrongly, that she was "stealing" jobs from younger players.

She also took a ton of heat (for the same reasons) when she played CIS with the Dinos in her mid-30's. CIS is a way bigger deal for the female game than it is for the men's, so I can understand that.

As a 35 year old she led the 2014 team in scoring at the Olympics. Maybe the points were gifted to her as well. Hard to steal a job when you are better than the people you are stealing the job from.