[Rumour] Weekes: Flames offering Tkachuk, 1st, former 1st, 2 prospects for Eichel

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

No, having injured players doesn't help you add another injured player when you're already at the cap, because cap space doesn't accrue from LTIR. As soon as those players return, there's no cap space, it's only there if needed to replace them while they're out. If Eichel goes to Vegas, until they can dump his full $10M non-prorated cap hit by trading away cap dumps from their roster, he can't play. At least not until the playoffs.

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[the-rasta-masta]

I’d really doubt that Popovich would know much if anything. And if he was in the know, you think Flames management wants one of their directors tweeting about the trade process?

[browna]

Originally Posted by Torture

Idk, Director of Marketing doesn't seem like a role that would be first to know on hockey ops decisions to me.

Not first to know, but would be in the know at some point if you’re pulling off a legitimate bloackbuster trade. Social media would have to be organized and ready to drop and break the news on all platforms, Eichel jerseys and t shirts would need to be produced asap. Etc.

He would be very bound by team restrictions as to not to be the one to leak news that Eichel is coming. But, with him on standby, if the Flames are then deemed to be officially out of the running for the player, a tweet like that would be probably allowed.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by saillias

Ryan Popowich is a regular guy who has a job on the business side of the Flames. yeah he has insider info - about jerseys, helmet designs and ticket sales for the Roughnecks. I assure you the man does not get involved in trade discussions. If you follow him you'll see how it's literally just tweeting ticket and merch stuff for CSEC. he just chose the wrong time to tweet a random thought about an odd NHL feature.

Definitely water cooler discussion amongst business side staff is just about the weather, recipes and weekend plans. Doubt any of them even know who Jack Eichel is.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Racki

So could they not go full Tampa and keep him out until the playoffs?

The trade deadline. Once that passes, they can exceed the cap.

Vegas has 19 games after the trade deadline, almost a quarter of the season. If they somehow managed to work the LTIR in their favour by not activating all of them at once, that is a good chunk of games to make up some ground before the playoffs even start.

[TheScorpion]

I really wouldn't read anything from that tweet, at all.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

My opinion on the team as a whole remains that they don’t have the centres to win a championship and if they aren’t moving towards fixing that then they’re wasting their time.

Eichel or bust remains my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. Sadly, it looks like the Sabres have their eyes set on pieces within the Vegas organization just based on the chatter over the recent months, weeks and days on the whole.

If the Tkachuk rumour is indeed false (because that would be a formidable package that would command serious consideration), then it would make sense that they would pursue a Vegas package as far as they can before considering a non-Tkachuk offer from us, since we will not willingly gut our roster and have prospects that are not as highly regarded as what they could pull out of VGK.

We're in the picture but the way I see it, given the possible redacting of the Tkachuk rumour, is that Vegas has the golden nuggets that Adams wants here, and is working every angle to get it done, including some LTIR gymnastics by the Knights.

I know nothing, but knowing our track record and our luck with these things.. seems most likely. Flames are probably the hopeful rebound/back up waiting in the wings. Also lines up with the Flames press guy cursing the LTIR possibility, since it may erase their shot at successfully coming through as plan B.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think they can play after the trade deadline (March 21st this year due to the Olympic break). Playoffs start on May 2nd.

No. The cap remains in effect until the last day of the regular season.

[Sandman]

Well, as one of the biggest "Eichel to Flames" boosters around, I have to say that at least if we don't get him (and I have doubts now that we will), at least we still have a pretty good team to cheer for this year....

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I really wouldn't read anything from that tweet, at all.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think they can play after the trade deadline (March 21st this year due to the Olympic break). Playoffs start on May 2nd.

I don't think so. If a player is on LTIR at the trade deadline, his entire cap hit can be used to acquire other players to replace him. But they must be REPLACING him. Since NHL salaries are not in effect during the playoffs, but only in the regular season, Tampa Bay was able to get away with doing this, but only because Kucherov did not return until the playoffs. Which is why, of course, he didn't return until the playoffs.

[FanIn80]

League needs a franchise player classification, with a max % of cap (7%?) allowed for all players except the single franchise player slot which can exceed that % cap.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Link to this was posted previously but may as well reiterate that Vegas would have to do some crazy juggling.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454236294079410177

Those are all great points. However, would anyone put it past Vegas doing it anyways? Or the league for allowing them to do it anyways? One of the first arguments is that eichel could not be expected to sit on LTIR all the way through the regular season and then just be ready for playoffs. That’s exactly what kucherov did. The work around is that he got almost 2 months of practice in. Think about that… he got full-contact practice in and got to get into full game shape. Eichel could learn their system, spend months practicing and gelling with the team and be in the best shape of anyone come the start of playoffs.

All it takes as far as doctors or the league are concerned is for eichel to say “No, I’m not back to 100%. I’d be concerned about re-injuring myself after this serious surgery if I come back now.” The league would not do anything about it even if it was not true. He’s already virtually guaranteed miss the olympics so that severely lowers his motivation to rush back. Vegas would explain to him how much they need him to stay off the roster till playoffs so the team can be a powerhouse when the playoffs start. Otherwise, they would have to trade a bunch of guys and it would rip the team apart and he would be blamed for it. What is eichel going to say in that situation? “No, screw those guys, I want to play.” Definitely not.

I assume this is what Vegas is going to do. I think the value in their offer for eichel (and the flames marketing guy’s complaint) will be how little salary they are going to send back because of all the LTIR players they have right now. Of course, the eichel situation will cause problems for them in the offseason, but who cares? They’re trying to have a team that is way, way over the cap on day 1 of the playoffs… they’ll happily deal with the consequences of having to gut parts of their roster in the offseason if it buys them a cup this year.


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[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Racki

So could they not go full Tampa and keep him out until the playoffs?

It seems like there are some obstacles to that. Firstly, are they even going to make the playoffs? They have to trade some roster players to keep the Sabres over the minimum salary and I don't see why the Sabres would only take overpriced guys. They have some long term injuries to other key guys already and the wheels seem to have come off prior to a depth dwindling trade. It's also a pretty old roster to be burning a season for a trade. Pacioretty, Marchessault, Stone, Smith... as good as Eichel is, losing a productive year from these guys while also gutting their prospect base is an iffy short and medium term plan. Suzuki and Brannstrom are gone as well as some of their recent high picks.

By all accounts Eichel is hoping to play in the Olympics and would be getting surgery ASAP. Could Vegas convince him to sit out the Olympics so they don't have to move out more salary? Even if they could, would the NHL play ball again after the Kucherov scrutiny?

It's pretty likely that they will have to shed salary again when Eichel is cleared in the season.

Obviously they have some plan since the insiders are convinced, but I wonder if the Flames PR guy tweet is suggesting that the Flames don't buy that Vegas can do this and won't raise their current offer to Buffalo over supposed Vegas competition?

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Racki

That franchise is so lucky. They have a bunch of highly paid guys go down with long term injuries at the exact time that they need the cap relief to add another highly paid guy. I’m pretty certain now. We’re out of it.

Yeah so lucky to be missing some of their best players and not presently in a playoff spot. I’m real jealous over here.

That would be like if Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Tanev were out long term for us. Pretty sure they’d rather their guys be healthy.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The trade deadline. Once that passes, they can exceed the cap.

Vegas has 19 games after the trade deadline, almost a quarter of the season. If they somehow managed to work the LTIR in their favour by not activating all of them at once, that is a good chunk of games to make up some ground before the playoffs even start.

What are you suggesting, a weekly musical chairs of LTIR? "Sorry, we've decided that you lot of players whose salary cap just happens to add up to $10M, are going to be injured this week, because we want Eichel to play"? Then sit a different $10M of players the next week, under the guise of injury?

Either Vegas has to dump $10M of salary, or Eichel can't return until the playoffs. There is no other realistic scenario.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No. The cap remains in effect until the last day of the regular season.

Originally Posted by Macindoc

I don't think so. If a player is on LTIR at the trade deadline, his entire cap hit can be used to acquire other players to replace him. But they must be REPLACING him. Since NHL salaries are not in effect during the playoffs, but only in the regular season, Tampa Bay was able to get away with doing this, but only because Kucherov did not return until the playoffs. Which is why, of course, he didn't return until the playoffs.

OK, I don't know why I thought that. Maybe because roster size goes out the window. I recall some talk about players being concerned about being forced on waivers after the trade deadline as not being able to trade makes it difficult to be cap compliant when healthy players come back. Oh well, I was wrong again!

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Obviously they have some plan since the insiders are convinced, but I wonder if the Flames PR guy tweet is suggesting that the Flames don't buy that Vegas can do this and won't raise their current offer to Buffalo over supposed Vegas competition?

This. I think it's a subtle message to Buffalo. The Flames are wise to their Vegas misdirection.

[OmegaV4]

Yikes. If that's the offer, walk away Brad. Walk away.


No help right away, especially when the team is playing really well, and no guarantee he comes back as the player he was in Buffalo.


0/10, do not want.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

What are you suggesting, a weekly musical chairs of LTIR? "Sorry, we've decided that you lot of players whose salary cap just happens to add up to $10M, are going to be injured this week, because we want Eichel to play"? Then sit a different $10M of players the next week, under the guise of injury?

Either Vegas has to dump $10M of salary, or Eichel can't return until the playoffs. There is no other realistic scenario.

Not saying that. They could just keep a couple of the same guys on LTIR and maintain the position that they are not 100% ready to come back. Kucherov was rumoured to be ready weeks before he came back.