Brad Treliving needs to go

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Of course he is going to spin in it in that direction. I didn't get that sense at all. Sutter was available prior to each of the last 3 hires and based on Sutters comments Calgary was 1 of 2 locations he would only come back too. This screams ownership to me.

For someone who is so reluctant to give the GM any credit this comes as no surprise, but your "sense" is also off.

In 2016 when the Flames hired Gulutzan, Sutter was still coaching in LA. Sutter announced his retirement from coaching on June 20, 2018—just two months after the Flames hired Bill Peters. It is anyone's guess as to how available he was to return in the in-between time.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So you figure Treliving lied about reaching out to Sutter. With Sutter sitting right there.

I don't But I don't think an official offer was made to Sutter.

He may have had a feeler interview with Tre, with Tre deciding to go in another direction.

[DeluxeMoustache]

At this point I personally really don’t care why or how Tre hired Sutter, how many times they talked or anything

Just glad to see a coach with an indisputable track record of success in multiple stops

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Who said there is a power struggle?

Hey Brad, the team is in a tailspin, you brought your coaches in and it just hasn't worked out. It happens and we don't blame you for it. Having said that, we know a guy in Viking that may be able to fix this. We don't want to tell you how to do your job and it is still your call, but we want to make sure that you know that you have that option and we will stand behind you and sign that check.

It's a nudge nudge kind of ask. Tre would recognize it as such as well.

It’s people yet again making stuff up based on zero evidence (or, if you read the threads, Brad’s facial expressions). In the face of Friedman’s reporting and what Treliving said with Sutter right there.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s people yet again making stuff up based on zero evidence (or, if you read the threads, Brad’s facial expressions). In the face of Friedman’s reporting and what Treliving said with Sutter right there.

Well, people like to feel like they noticed something. Truth is, we don't know what was up with Tre. But at the same time, who cares what some poster says. These are not some hard allegations, just minor observations, best to just scroll. Not every minor point we disagree with needs to become a debate here.

As for Friedman. What he "thinks" is not reporting. It's an opinion.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Well, people like to feel like they noticed something. Truth is, we don't know what was up with Tre. But at the same time, who cares what some poster says. These are not some hard allegations, just minor observations, best to just scroll. Not every minor point we disagree with needs to become a debate here.

As for Friedman. What he "thinks" is not reporting. It's an opinion.

An opinion of someone who actually talks to people involved.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Of course he is going to spin in it in that direction. I didn't get that sense at all. Sutter was available prior to each of the last 3 hires and based on Sutters comments Calgary was 1 of 2 locations he would only come back too. This screams ownership to me.

You sir, just earned yourself a Friedman Award for Bulls***tery!

Enjoy.

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[Erick Estrada]

I think the two can co-exist and I don't see any power struggle issues developing but Darryl casts a big shadow in this city and the GM/head coach dynamic will be different for Treliving compared to his previous head coaches. Not sure why this hire didn't happen in the offseason but better late than never I suppose.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So you figure Treliving lied about reaching out to Sutter. With Sutter sitting right there.

I don't doubt Treviling reached out to Sutter, but I believe the push to do that was based on direction from ownership.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

For someone who is so reluctant to give the GM any credit this comes as no surprise, but your "sense" is also off.

In 2016 when the Flames hired Gulutzan, Sutter was still coaching in LA. Sutter announced his retirement from coaching on June 20, 2018—just two months after the Flames hired Bill Peters. It is anyone's guess as to how available he was to return in the in-between time.

Should I give the GM any credit based on his 7 year track record? The press conference was littered with the term "accountability", the mess that is the Calgary Flames has a large part to do with his managerial skills, he is ultimately responsible for the coaches and the players assembled.

Apologies, not 3 hires, 2. Yes I'm including Peters in this mix because BT hired Peters basically immediately after the season, 6 days after GG was canned on April 23rd. Questions were asked why the rush and why not wait till the offseason when more candidates would be made available. Then he extends Ward after the bubble.

Whether people want to admit it or not, BTs handling of the coaching duties has been a mess. He is on the hot seat and you could see it in the PC today.

Regardless of the back and fourth with some of you, I'm happy Sutter is now the coach, that is step 1, i'm sure more will come once the season concludes.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by CGY12

I don't doubt Treviling reached out to Sutter, but I believe the push to do that was based on direction from ownership.



Should I give the GM any credit based on his 7 year track record? The press conference was littered with the term "accountability", the mess that is the Calgary Flames has a large part to do with his managerial skills, he is ultimately responsible for the coaches and the players assembled.

Apologies, not 3 hires, 2. Yes I'm including Peters in this mix because BT hired Peters basically immediately after the season, 6 days after GG was canned on April 23rd. Questions were asked why the rush and why not wait till the offseason when more candidates would be made available. Then he extends Ward after the bubble.

Whether people want to admit it or not, BTs handling of the coaching duties has been a mess. He is on the hot seat and you could see it in the PC today.

Regardless of the back and fourth with some of you, I'm happy Sutter is now the coach, that is step 1, i'm sure more will come once the season concludes.

Count the Peters hire if you want, but at the time, it was an excellent move that led to one of the greatest regular seasons in Flames history. Treliving and the league had no idea Bill Peters had made past mistakes that could harm the team image, and had Peters not made past mistakes, the hiring would have been remembered more fondly than it is.

Gulutzen and Ward were very debatable hires from the beginning. Sure, Peters is a bad hire using hindsight, but he also made Treliving look like a genius for a whole regular season.

Treliving could have made better choices in the coaching department, but I have been very happy with his drafting and trading records and that is not something I have been able to say in the past 30 years for any other Flames GM.

I like Treliving and I really don't want another 30 years of disliking Calgary GMs.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by CF84

Count the Peters hire if you want, but at the time, it was an excellent move that led to one of the greatest regular seasons in Flames history. Treliving and the league had no idea Bill Peters had made past mistakes that could harm the team image, and had Peters not made past mistakes, the hiring would have been remembered more fondly than it is.

Gulutzen and Ward were very debatable hires from the beginning. Sure, Peters is a bad hire using hindsight, but he also made Treliving look like a genius for a whole regular season.

Treliving could have made better choices in the coaching department, but I have been very happy with his drafting and trading records and that is not something I have been able to say in the past 30 years for any other Flames GM.

I like Treliving and I really don't want another 30 years of disliking Calgary GMs.

Agree to disagree, the regular season was great no doubt, but the playoffs were an embarrassment and Peters was severely out coached during. Considering Peters had never made the playoffs as a head coach prior to his arrival, the move seemed questionable. I think after the GG debacle, a experienced coach who had prior playoff success was needed, but like you said hindsight is always 2020.

Not holding Treviling responsible for the racist remarks and behaviour of Peters prior at all, nobody could have foreseen that mess.

Agree regarding you're points on GG and Ward.

Many can argue whether BT has done well or failed in certain aspects of building this organization and producing a winning on ice product, but the results indicate this team is no further along in that process than they were 5/6 years ago.

I think we can all agree that this is the last kick at the can for some of the core players and potentially BT himself, with the Calgary Flames. Fingers crossed Sutter can come in and finish the "unfinished business" he has with the org. I have no doubt under his leadership, if things don't start to change, he won't hesitate to make his feelings known within the organization and that is good news.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

At this point I personally really don’t care why or how Tre hired Sutter, how many times they talked or anything

Just glad to see a coach with an indisputable track record of success in multiple stops

Yeah, thinking that talks go way back only dampens my happiness from this news.

[Vinny01]

What happened in the last 24 hours is why I like Treliving as a GM. I feel like he owns mistakes and makes changes if need be. I think he has avoided getting fleeced on some trades which is why we haven’t seen many deals in a while but owning the fact Ward was not good and then finally getting the most high profile coach who would want to come here was a good move.

I am very happy because this is the exact move I wanted him to make.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What happened in the last 24 hours is why I like Treliving as a GM. I feel like he owns mistakes and makes changes if need be. I think he has avoided getting fleeced on some trades which is why we haven’t seen many deals in a while but owning the fact Ward was not good and then finally getting the most high profile coach who would want to come here was a good move.

I am very happy because this is the exact move I wanted him to make.

Lol, I wish my boss also let me fix the same mistakes over and over again that cost millions of dollars.

[Flame On]

I was starting to tire of Treliving, and the tire-spinning the team seemed to be doing. Some of his signings have been lights out, others have been atrocious.
Dealing with Ward and getting Sutter has put me firmly back in his corner though.

[Iggy Snipe]

Who cares what BT did in the past. He just hired a two time Stanley cup champion coach, who has done nothing but win in his career. I call that some nice GM work. Sutter said it himself , he has “unfinished business” in Calgary. LFG

I can not wait to see the turn around, and there will be one. Sutter is a legend and demands accountability, and will maximize potential in each player. Exciting stuff guys, stop living in the past.

This is a proven winner coming to Calgary, which is exactly what myself, and a lot of fellow fans have been dying for.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What happened in the last 24 hours is why I like Treliving as a GM. I feel like he owns mistakes and makes changes if need be. I think he has avoided getting fleeced on some trades which is why we haven’t seen many deals in a while but owning the fact Ward was not good and then finally getting the most high profile coach who would want to come here was a good move.

I am very happy because this is the exact move I wanted him to make.

I look at it differently. I think this was the only move he could make without getting fired and I mean specifically hiring Sutter. His only other choice was going down with the good ship Ward at the end of the season barring some miracle.

In saying that I love this move. I just don't believe it was entirely the gm's doing.

[Vinny01]

It sounds like it came down to bringing in Darryl or keeping Ward in the offseason. Reasons why I think they came to their conclusion:

1. Ward is cheap
2. Promote from within is attractive to young up and comers
3. 12 seconds away from being up 3-1 on the team that won the west with a top player injured
4. Team liked Ward
5. Markstrom is a huge improvement in a key position

Ward was in over his head and it was clear this team lacked motivation/direction. The organization then pivoted to the more expensive yet necessary option. The way this team has played I agree with Treliving saying they need Sutter they need someone who will get the most out of them.

He finally shored up 2 key positions he had struggled and juggled to fill since he was hired with goaltending and coaching.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What happened in the last 24 hours is why I like Treliving as a GM. I feel like he owns mistakes and makes changes if need be. I think he has avoided getting fleeced on some trades which is why we haven’t seen many deals in a while but owning the fact Ward was not good and then finally getting the most high profile coach who would want to come here was a good move.

I am very happy because this is the exact move I wanted him to make.

Yup, IMO it would have been easy to ride out this season and say COVID made big changes too hard, and they’d look at it offseason. Or to say Ward deserved a whole season to evaluate.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Lol, I wish my boss also let me fix the same mistakes over and over again that cost millions of dollars.

How does this differentiate Treliving from any other GM? They all make mistakes that cost millions of dollars.