[PST] Second Round: Anaheim (1st pacific) vs Edmonton (2nd pacific)

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Has anyone posted this one yet?

[midniteowl]

Woke up this morning, check the Score app and realized it wasn't a dream, Oilers did lose. This is how I felt this morning...



And then through out the day, I was like this

[GioforPM]

Funny thing about those pics, he's not feeling awkward. That's just his face.

[Locke]

I just love that random people accosting McDavid has become a perfectly acceptable thing.

He wont be able to get out of Edmonton fast enough.

[JohnnyB]

I wish McDavid didn't play for the Oilers. Not just because he's good (though much more Ovechkin than Crosby in these playoffs), but because I would be happy to cheer for him on another team. He seems like a really decent young guy and it sucks that he has the Oiler stink on him.

Not his fault that the Canadian sports media are falling over each other to fellate the Oilers and generate hype.

[CaptainCrunch]

When he leaves Edmonton who will he tap on the shoulder and whisper "Lets Go" too.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Anaheim was the better team in game 7 and deserved the win.



Talbot sure showed his fatigue though. ....

He is not still playing, is he?

The numbers are pretty consistent in this regard: the heaviest worked goalies in the NHL every year play around 85 games at the high end. Talbot played 86 games and his season is over. How is this so difficult for you to grasp?

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

He is not still playing, is he?

The numbers are pretty consistent in this regard: the heaviest worked goalies in the NHL every year play around 85 games at the high end. Talbot played 86 games and his season is over. How is this so difficult for you to grasp?

Lol. Wow you are a stubborn donkey.

I don't think you will get any support from anywhere that Talbot burned out in that series.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Lol. Wow you are a stubborn donkey.

I don't think you will get any support from anywhere that Talbot burned out in that series.

Agreed. Talbot wasn't the deficiency. It was the rest of the team in front of him.

[Strange Brew]

Man if you're finding fault with Talbot then you're just looking for things. They lost despite him. Maybe he would have burned out next round, we don't know but he was good until the end.

McDavid not being dominant isn't shocking at his age. Problem for oilers is they paid Eberle and RNH $12 million to score same amount of playoff goals as I did.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Lol. Wow you are a stubborn donkey.



I don't think you will get any support from anywhere that Talbot burned out in that series.

Cam Talbot in round 1:

- 2GP with < .920 SP
- 4GP with > .930 SP
- 2SO, 12 GA

Cam Talbot in round 2:
- 3GP with < .920 SP
- 4GP with > .930 SP
- 0 SO, 21 GA

Was Talbot better or not quite as good in Round 2 as he was in Round 1?

The point IS NOT that he fell apart because of fatigue. The point is that as good as he was against Anaheim he was not as good as he was against SJ. Considering the number of games he played this year it is perfectly understandable why.

Like I said, NHL goalies almost never play more than 85-90 games in a season. In a playoff series with all things being equal, chances are better that a goalie having played 70 games will win the series rather than the goalie who has played +80 games.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Cam Talbot in round 1:

- 2GP with < .920 SP
- 4GP with > .930 SP
- 2SO, 12 GA

Cam Talbot in round 2:
- 3GP with < .920 SP
- 4GP with > .930 SP
- 0 SO, 21 GA

Was Talbot better or not quite as good in Round 2 as he was in Round 1?

The point IS NOT that he fell apart because of fatigue. The point is that as good as he was against Anaheim he was not as good as he was against SJ. Considering the number of games he played this year it is perfectly understandable why.

Like I said, NHL goalies almost never play more than 85-90 games in a season. In a playoff series with all things being equal, chances are better that a goalie having played 70 games will win the series rather than the goalie who has played +80 games.

It doesn't really matter if Talbot was better in the second round than the first round. Here is what matters.

Talbot's save percentage:

In the second round= .923%

In the regular season= .919%

You can go by the numbers or you can go by the eye. Both of those pieces of evidence tell us that Talbot was just fine with the workload.


I know you are following the odds of failure historically attributed to 85+ game goalies winning playoff rounds, but that stat just doesn't have any analysis behind it. It's an oddity, but I wouldn't say it has any predictive power.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Cam Talbot in round 1:

- 2GP with < .920 SP
- 4GP with > .930 SP
- 2SO, 12 GA

Cam Talbot in round 2:
- 3GP with < .920 SP
- 4GP with > .930 SP
- 0 SO, 21 GA

Was Talbot better or not quite as good in Round 2 as he was in Round 1?

The point IS NOT that he fell apart because of fatigue. The point is that as good as he was against Anaheim he was not as good as he was against SJ. Considering the number of games he played this year it is perfectly understandable why.

Like I said, NHL goalies almost never play more than 85-90 games in a season. In a playoff series with all things being equal, chances are better that a goalie having played 70 games will win the series rather than the goalie who has played +80 games.

I agree that a goalie, playing against his clone, with no other players on the ice might have a slight disadvantage if he played 85 games and his competitor played 70. Assuming neither had any injuries of any sort.

The Oilers lost for a few reasons but Talbot wan't one of them IMO.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Cam Talbot in round 1:

- 2GP with < .920 SP
- 4GP with > .930 SP
- 2SO, 12 GA

Cam Talbot in round 2:
- 3GP with < .920 SP
- 4GP with > .930 SP
- 0 SO, 21 GA

Was Talbot better or not quite as good in Round 2 as he was in Round 1?

The point IS NOT that he fell apart because of fatigue. The point is that as good as he was against Anaheim he was not as good as he was against SJ. Considering the number of games he played this year it is perfectly understandable why.

Like I said, NHL goalies almost never play more than 85-90 games in a season. In a playoff series with all things being equal, chances are better that a goalie having played 70 games will win the series rather than the goalie who has played +80 games.

Lets be fair though and it makes me throw up a bit in my mouth, but Talbot was really good in round two. The Oilers defensively weren't good and they didn't do much to support him.

Anaheim >>>> San Jose, but I'm not saying that Anaheim was juggernaut.

[iamca]

Originally Posted by iamca

Season series (3-2) went the Oilers way including the last game 3-2 in overtime.

That being said, the Oilers do match up better than Calgary against Anaheim, however this is the playoffs.

I despise both teams and hope for a long, grueling series with lots of the hard hitting that a second round series should have.

I think the series outcome will come down to goaltending, but I also think puck luck will be the second most likely factor.

I hope it goes 7 games, hatred for both teams does not allow me to cheer or even lean for either, but if I am forced to select a team, I'll say Anaheim.

I need a shower....

I really do hate both teams, but I should have put down some money.

[the2bears]

Is anyone actually saying that the Oilers lost because of Talbot? I haven't read that here.

[Textcritic]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;6259081...The Oilers lost for a few reasons but Talbot wan't one of them IMO.[/QUOTE]

At no point have I ever suggested the Oilers lost because of Talbot. My point has always been that a goalie will likely not be as good after 80 games as he is after 70 games. My point was that historically speaking a NHL team will not get much farther than 85 games from their starting goalie. My point was that ideally a team does not want to be put in a position where their starter plays more than 65 games before the playoffs.

The idea that Cam Talbot can comfortably handle 95-100 games in a year because he still looked great in round 2 is foolish. It will remain to be seen, but I'm pretty confident the Oilers will not play in the SCF so long as Talbot is carrying the same workload he assumed this year.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Is anyone actually saying that the Oilers lost because of Talbot? I haven't read that here.

NO. No one is saying that. He was great.

My point has been that NHL goalies tend to play a maximum of 85-90 games in a season, and Talbot played 86.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by kevman

The only thing the advanced stats show is just how dominant the Ducks were against the Oilers.

In a 7 game series at 5 on 5 the Oilers were:
Out shot in 6/7 games (tied the other)
Out corsi'd in 6/7 games
Out fenwicked in 6/7 games (tied the other)
Out scoring chanced in 6/7 games
Out "high danger" scoring chanced in 5/7 games (tied one of them)

There isn't a stat out there that makes the Oilers look better than the Ducks. Including the most important one, wins.

I can think of two. Saves and streamers.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

NO. No one is saying that. He was great.

My point has been that NHL goalies tend to play a maximum of 85-90 games in a season, and Talbot played 86.

Exactly my point, I was being sarcastic. People jump on these things without reading. "Talbot played a lot of games" becomes "blame it on Talbot".