[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

And we could use another top-6 forward. By trade or on Free Agency.

When I look forward, I think the one piece that this team is now missing is a Toffoli-esque right winger.

[Dorky Pigs]

Two things I like about the deal:

1. depth - injuries will happen on defence and we've mitigated the problem if a top four guy goes down.

2. When Giordano was injured, three guys were playing close to 30 minutes a game. Even before then, the third pairing was averaging barely 10 minutes a game. The addition of Hamilton allows Hartley to spread out the minutes more evenly among the defence core and maybe stress specialization within the special teams. They should not be liable to the wear and tear that the top four endured this year. To me, I'm reminded of the 1989 defence corps with MacInnis, Suter, Ramage, McCrimmon, Macoun and Murzyn with Nattress in reserve. Boy, was that a solid unit even after Suter was injured.

[getbak]

Excluding tonight, since 2008, the Bruins have made 6 first round picks. The Flames now have as many of them (Colborne & Hamilton) as the Bruins do (Subban & Pastrnak).

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by SebC

An odd deal - winning the trade (i.e. doing better than an offer sheet) requires either losing the player or overpaying him.



If Hamilton signs for less than $7.3M we overpaid. If he signs for more than $7.3M then we underpaid, but Hamilton might be overpaid. I'm guessing he comes in under, which means Boston won the trade - even if they would've lost had we made a similar offer sheet instead.

I have no idea why Hamilton's salary would matter on who won the trade. If Hamilton continues to progress, and becomes the franchise defenseman we think he will be, then it doesn't matter at all what his salary was. This along the same lines as why I hate advanced stats in hockey.

If the Flames put an offer sheet on Hamilton of $7M, there is a chance Boston matches. If Boston doesn't match, then the Flames would have to give up the 3rd round pick, as opposed to the 2nd rounder. But, those picks are in next year's draft, since the offer sheet is done after the draft. Those picks might be better or worse. For the 2015 draft the Flames already had all the draft picks in place. I'm not sure what they have picked up or traded away for next year's draft, but they might not be able to draft anybody until the 4th round next year if that's the case.

This is a good trade for Calgary. They traded their 15th overall pick and Curtis Glencross for Dougie Hamilton. How did Boston win that?

[Fire]

This is similar to when the Senators traded Chara to the Bruins. These are the type of moves that win you the Stanley Cup.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Fire

This is similar to when the Senators traded Chara to the Bruins. These are the type of moves that win you the Stanley Cup.

Well, Chara actually signed with the Bruins as a UFA...and he was much older at the time than Dougie is now.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I have no idea why Hamilton's salary would matter on who won the trade. If Hamilton continues to progress, and becomes the franchise defenseman we think he will be, then it doesn't matter at all what his salary was.

In the cap world players worth is always relative to cap value. Overpaid players of any level are a problem, so salary always matters for everyone except the very best superstars.

If Hamilton does not progress as expected, we might have just traded for an about-to-be-overpaid 2nd pairing 2nd PP D-man. Boston could very well draft something better than that with those three picks.

I think we're unlikely to do worse than Boston here, but people seem to forget there is always a chance that you end up losing a trade that looked like a slam dunk at the time.

[Bunk]

It was funny listening to Treliving say - "oh, lots of credit to Don Sweeney, he really drove a hard bargain" to help him save face from what is quite obviously a robbery.

[Wastedyouth]

As someone who struggled with trusting Treliving after the Engelland contract, I am now firmly behind the guy. Kudos!

[albertGQ]

The 2016 first rounder the Yotes offered was most likely then Rangers first (acquired in the Yandle trade). No way it was the Yotes 2016 first rounder.

So 30th pick in 2015 and ~25th pick in 2016.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bunk

It was funny listening to Treliving say - "oh, lots of credit to Don Sweeney, he really drove a hard bargain" to help him save face from what is quite obviously a robbery.

Honestly reminded me when Burke said something very similar when he traded for Phaneuf

[speeds]

Fantastic deal for the Flames!

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Dreger said in SC that Arizona offered their 2016 1st round pick for Hamilton.

Seems odd that Boston would reject a pick that would have a high probability of being top 5.

I heard from somewhere too. Boston wanted Arizona's 3rd pick overall but Maloney was saying he won't trade the 3rd pick as they really like someone (Strome) so he was offering 2016 1st round instead. Boston management says they'll talk it over. While Arizona was waiting for Boston, they heard the deal was done with Calgary. I guess Arizona did not get a chance to sweeten the pot.

[greyshep]

Man this feels good. I dont want to get ahead of myself here, but its so refreshing to be on this side of a trade for a change. This rebuild/retool the Flames have been on for the last 2-3 years has actually been a lot of fun.

[Mightyfire89]

Holy Mary mother of god. Treliving is a jedi of the highest order. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty confident going forward with a management group that includes Treliving, Burke and Conroy (I still consider him a minor deity because of 2004).

Nevermind Bob Hartley, who I suspect had a part in looking at a guy like Hamilton.

After living through the putrid 90s, I feel like I've won the hockey fan lottery at this point.

We have an uber competent management team in charge of the Flames!!!!!!!

[ScorchyScorch]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Feels good man:

I forgot about Schlemko. I'd like to have him as our #7, thought he was solid when asked to step in and take minutes.

[sa226]

This is why you stick to the plan (rebuild). Be realistic of where you are, and where you are headed.

The Calgary Flames were in a playoff position at the trade deadline, and they were sellers. They had a realistic chance of making the playoffs for the first time in 6 years in a market starved for playoff action, and they were sellers.

If it wasn't for that level headed approach Dougie Hamilton likely would not be a Flame today.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Bunk

It was funny listening to Treliving say - "oh, lots of credit to Don Sweeney, he really drove a hard bargain" to help him save face from what is quite obviously a robbery.

It's a bit of that, but also GM to GM empathy.

With this trade, its because Sweeney didn't appear to have many options, and the option that appeared, from many accounts, to be imminent, was his own predecessor, the reason for the BOS cap issue, turning around and sending out an offer sheet on the guy and then all the issues that would cause for Boston's cap, and the optics etc etc.

With the Burke thing on the Phanuef trade, it was also because Darryl was in a tough place. He had to make the playoffs given the edict from the owners, and he had a large handful of forwards injured or under producing at the time. So he needed to find a large volume of serviceable forwards, that aren't that easy to find in those numbers. Also, Phaneuf may or may not have turned into a locker room problem child.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by SebC

An odd deal - winning the trade (i.e. doing better than an offer sheet) requires either losing the player or overpaying him.



If Hamilton signs for less than $7.3M we overpaid. If he signs for more than $7.3M then we underpaid, but Hamilton might be overpaid. I'm guessing he comes in under, which means Boston won the trade - even if they would've lost had we made a similar offer sheet instead.

Note that for offer sheet purposes the average annual salary of the offer sheet is total salary divided over the lesser of the total contract length or 5 years so effectively you're forced to offer 5 year deals (unless you really want the player) and that might handicap your negotiation.

[AC]

It's funny seeing the reactions around the league as the trade news developed.

When it was just Hamilton to Calgary for a mystery package, lots of people on Reddit and HF all expected it had to be either Bennett, Gaudreau, or Giordano coming back.

Then when it turned out just picks everybody lost their minds.