[Trade] Bouwmeester to Blues for conditional 2013 1st, Cundari and goaltender Reto Berra - Page 51 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

PeteLFan · 04-02-2013, 08:13 AM

One part of feasters story and admitting its not working and it's his fault doesn't add up.

He says the knew for a while it wasn't working and approached Iggy and jay about trades in California. This road trip came a few days after the ROR fiasco. So he's telling us he felt this team was going nowhere yet he was ready to turn a top 5 pick and 3rd rounder into a 2nd line player, and add him to a team that wasn't going to make the playoffs.

David Struch · 04-02-2013, 08:14 AM

It's uncanny how much Mark Giordano & Mark Cundari look alike!

see post #6
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1392423

kyuss275 · 04-02-2013, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteLFan

One part of feasters story and admitting its not working and it's his fault doesn't add up.

He says the knew for a while it wasn't working and approached Iggy and jay about trades in California. This road trip came a few days after the ROR fiasco. So he's telling us he felt this team was going nowhere yet he was ready to turn a top 5 pick and 3rd rounder into a 2nd line player, and add him to a team that wasn't going to make the playoffs.

Thats a great point. Did he really think that OReilly would be the saviour for the season? If so he would have been wrong. OReilly is close to a point a game player since his return and has not helped the AV's.

FlamesAddiction · 04-02-2013, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

Just a random question

Do you guys think the Leafs could get a better package for Phaneuf had they traded him to the Blues yesterday? I think so

I think so.

Phaneuf as a Flame was overrated by many, but as a Leaf is equally underrated.

keenan87 · 04-02-2013, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteLFan

One part of feasters story and admitting its not working and it's his fault doesn't add up.

He says the knew for a while it wasn't working and approached Iggy and jay about trades in California. This road trip came a few days after the ROR fiasco. So he's telling us he felt this team was going nowhere yet he was ready to turn a top 5 pick and 3rd rounder into a 2nd line player, and add him to a team that wasn't going to make the playoffs.

Who is to say we weren't going to end up with the 13th pick. I for one would have ROR over any pick that is not top 5.

Just my opinion.

Caged Great · 04-02-2013, 08:20 AM

With O'Reilly, the Flames likely are fighting for a playoff spot. Without, you might as well cut your losses and move on.

kyuss275 · 04-02-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

With O'Reilly, the Flames likely are fighting for a playoff spot. Without, you might as well cut your losses and move on.

I dont see it. How is that the Av's did not get any better when O'REilly came back, but the flames that are just as bad, would have had a chance to make the playoffs.

DeluxeMoustache · 04-02-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Icon

Similar age, similar pay...

Bouwmeester's been outplaying Phaneuf though this year.

No. No he has not. That statement was made with homer glasses.

FlamesAddiction · 04-02-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Thats a great point. Did he really think that OReilly would be the saviour for the season? If so he would have been wrong. OReilly is close to a point a game player since his return and has not helped the AV's.

It's because if he wasn't there, another player would be getting that ice-time and would be getting those points..

O'Reilly is a great player to have as an interchangable part, but he isn't going to carry a team no matter how much they pay him.

JazzyFlame · 04-02-2013, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteLFan

One part of feasters story and admitting its not working and it's his fault doesn't add up.

He says the knew for a while it wasn't working and approached Iggy and jay about trades in California. This road trip came a few days after the ROR fiasco. So he's telling us he felt this team was going nowhere yet he was ready to turn a top 5 pick and 3rd rounder into a 2nd line player, and add him to a team that wasn't going to make the playoffs.

ROR is both, a guy who contributes, but is young enough that he's also there for the future. If it had worked out it was win-win.

Icon · 04-02-2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No. No he has not. That statement was made with homer glasses.

Really?... I am probably the happiest Flames fan that Bouwmeester was traded.

I simply think that Bouwmeester was actually worth putting on the ice for 30mins/night this season; moreso than Phaneuf, and that's my opinion without any homer glasses (I have a Phaneuf jersey, loved him here, and I'm glad JayBo is a Blue), just from watching them both play.

Phaneuf's also signed for an extra year vs. Bouwmeester. The Blues have the option to flip Bouw next deadline as a rental if he's not going to fit with them long term... and on the flip side Phaneuf is definitely more of a leader than Bouw.

I think they would have got similar returns... That said the Leafs wouldn't have looked at a goalie for next season (Berra is under contract in Switzerland until then), so they would have got something else instead, but probably similar value.

davidbjordan · 04-02-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No. No he has not. That statement was made with homer glasses.

Phaneuf is not a good defenseman...

Overall the trade deadline is a gamble... you either have to be first or last, (selling that is) calgary decided to be first, it remains to be seen what the prices are tomorrow for the remaining items.

Regorium · 04-02-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

People weren't happy when the Flames were steadfast, people screamed about tampering owners. Now that were stocking up on 1st round picks and cutting lose the core suddenly Feaster should be fired. Ignoring Iggy's return, maybe the Bouwmeester trade isn't quite the return some wanted. But we got *another* 1st rounder in a deep draft. Wtf did people expect? We'd send Bouwmeester to the Wings for their best young prospect and their 1st rounder? Teams like St. Louis and Detroit got where they are thru strong asset management. I'm hoping the last 5 years was a lesson for our owners in just that.

Sorry, but look at the posters that are blasting the trade - they're the ones that WANTED to stay steadfast.

I guarantee all the people that wanted the core blown up years ago are ecstatic about both of these trades and the returns we got for them.

belsarius · 04-02-2013, 08:38 AM

I'm one of the ones who have been pretty steadfast and seriously thought this team had a lot of potential this year with the roster. That being said I am happy the team has decided to blow it up, or at least be forced to blow it up. I'm taking a bit of trust in Wiesbrod with the prospects that are being picked up and really for what we are trading I think getting a first plus anything is good enough, especially in a "deep" draft.

Wolven · 04-02-2013, 08:44 AM

I am a little upset at that Bouwmeester was traded just as we found a coach that has him playing the way we have always wanted him to.

I am a bit more upset that we traded away our #1D for some relatively unknown assets and a conditional late first round pick.

I am actually angry that in two "block buster" trades we have yet to acquire a single prospect that plays center. Considering how big of an organizational need it is to fill that position, I am not a huge fan of gambling on filling that spot soley through the draft.

Landing Mackinnon (or Barkov) with our own first round draft pick is becoming that much more important. I would actually say that we should focus on impact centers/forwards with our first two picks (or maybe all of our first rounders).

SuperMatt18 · 04-02-2013, 08:44 AM

Lebrun says that Detroit was in on Bouwmeester until the end but were unwilling to include a 1st round pick in the package.

So while we can trash Feaster for the return it is hard unless we actually know what teams are willing to offer.

FlamesAddiction · 04-02-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolven

I am a little upset at that Bouwmeester was traded just as we found a coach that has him playing the way we have always wanted him to.

Last year, Bouwmeester would have been virtually untradable... he likely had negative value. At least Hartley was able to get him going enough so we could get some value for him. Still, you can't erase that last 2 seasons and that impacts his trade value.

bluloc · 04-02-2013, 08:50 AM

Funny how there's no farewell JBow thread. What useless #### he was. Glad we got a first rounder and rid us of his huge cap hit.

OffsideSpecialist · 04-02-2013, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolven

I am a bit more upset that we traded away our #1D for some relatively unknown assets and a conditional late first round pick.

I don't think it's fair to call it a conditional late first rounder. The Flames get a first round pick regardless of what happens, and I doubt it will be late in the first round. With the way Hitchcock teams tend to go I could actually see the Blues just missing out this year and absolutely bombing it next year. Perhaps that's a bit of wishful thinking though.

Icon · 04-02-2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolven

I am actually angry that in two "block buster" trades we have yet to acquire a single prospect that plays center. Considering how big of an organizational need it is to fill that position, I am not a huge fan of gambling on filling that spot soley through the draft.

One of Agostino/Hanowski also plays center... don't remember which