2012-2013 Toronto Blue Jays Off Season Thread

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

I think the report above (somewhere a few posts up) of it possibly being TDA + Gose + Lind for Dickey + Davis could be pretty close to what ends up happening. I have to say if it does, I am going to be a little down on AA as the farm will have taken a massive hit this offseason and there is still a reasonable chance Dickey doesn't live up to expectation in the ALE. With that said, it would be a amazingly stacked rotation, the likes of which us Jays fans haven't seen since the WS years.

Yet, if AA could somehow make that same trade with JPA in there instead of TDA, I would be hailing his name as a mad genius once again.

[TitovFTW]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

I think the report above (somewhere a few posts up) of it possibly being TDA + Gose + Lind for Dickey + Davis could be pretty close to what ends up happening. I have to say if it does, I am going to be a little down on AA as the farm will have taken a massive hit this offseason and there is still a reasonable chance Dickey doesn't live up to expectation in the ALE. With that said, it would be a amazingly stacked rotation, the likes of which us Jays fans haven't seen since the WS years.

It would be such a stacked rotation, Rickey Romero as your 5th starter. And if the damage is only D'arnaud from the prospect ranks, you still have what could be an incredible influx of pitching coming in two seasons. The Jays farm system would take a huge hit though, 5 or 6 of your top prospects gone. Although you've at least improved your MLB drastically, in a way that nobody saw coming.

It's going to be an interesting day here in Bluejay land

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Jeff Passan

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@JeffPassan
Teams, as we reported, were looking over medical information of players, a formality. Unless something very odd happens this deal gets done.

[Matty81]

If the jays make a deal giving up both Gose and D'Arnaud for Dickey... It would be AA's worst trade and its not even close. Trade your low A returns on Halladay after investing all that time and effort in them and being pretty lucky for them to progress and keep the blow up, for a guy who isn't as good and is 5 or 6 years older than Doc when he got traded? Who slipped the drugs into AA's drink yesterday?

Giving up two studs in single A is one thing, but these are two advanced top 10 prospects in AAA who are a year away from being MLB players. If D'Arnaud hits 250-260 his rookie year with his defence he's worth more than Dickey alone... 12 months later.

Would just be so incredibly short sighted. They will spend the next 5 years looking for a young talented receiver and possibly even a talented CF. Destroy the position player base at the farm and create massive holes... For a 38 year old 3 WAR pitcher with one year of service time left. Its funny farm stuff.

[Flickered Flame]

Here is what I know, unless something changes it is likely to be:
D'Arnaud and Gose and possibly another player, prospect or both for Dickey and either Davis or a prospect. Sorry I can't provide any further names. My guys in Oakland have asked me not to share anything further.

[Matty81]

Really too bad. Well now I guess they will just need to hope Arencibia learns to take a walk and catch and Rasmus becomes a consistent player. Long term you still don't really have a very good 2B and now they will probably be shopping for a CF and a Catcher in the next two seasons.

Can't believe they gave up marisnick and gose in the same offseason.

[nik-]

Trading two of our three top prospects for this guy is not good. Not happy, especially since the third prospect was already traded.

[Flickered Flame]

I think its an excellent deal for both sides. The Mets get young pieces for their rebuild while the Jays add a cy young winner to be their #5 starter. The thing about baseball prospects, more than other pro sport, prospects turn out to be busts. Gose is a good prospect but I'd be shocked if he ever hits at the MLB level.

[Flickered Flame]

If you are following on twitter, its hard to believe what is accurate, but some are now saying Gose is not part of the deal.

[TitovFTW]

Originally Posted by Matty81

If the jays make a deal giving up both Gose and D'Arnaud for Dickey... It would be AA's worst trade and its not even close. Trade your low A returns on Halladay after investing all that time and effort in them and being pretty lucky for them to progress and keep the blow up, for a guy who isn't as good and is 5 or 6 years older than Doc when he got traded? Who slipped the drugs into AA's drink yesterday?

Giving up two studs in single A is one thing, but these are two advanced top 10 prospects in AAA who are a year away from being MLB players. If D'Arnaud hits 250-260 his rookie year with his defence he's worth more than Dickey alone... 12 months later.

Would just be so incredibly short sighted. They will spend the next 5 years looking for a young talented receiver and possibly even a talented CF. Destroy the position player base at the farm and create massive holes... For a 38 year old 3 WAR pitcher with one year of service time left. Its funny farm stuff.

Anthony Gose is an advanced prospect? Really? I don't think it's affair to assume Dickey regresses and not also be able to make the assumption that Gose never does learn to hit, is nothing more then a bench player at the MLB level and your still left trying to find an everyday CF.

Don't you invest all that time and money in them to make them also very valuable trade chips?

The flip side is you have 3 years of Reyes, Encarnacion and Bautista in their prime. Don't you have to take advantage of that to some extent? The Jays are not trying to rush a very young early 20's core to a championship. You could also argue that with the amount of MLB level talent you'd have on this team (If Dickey is traded here, it's going to come with an extension, and I think it's pretty short sighted to treat him like any other 38 year old pitcher) that your not in a win next year or be screwed. You'd still have 3 seasons to draft and develop prospects. I think it be short sighted to bring in Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes and Melky Cabrera, and not change the way you are doing things.

I think the best thing that could happen is this trade just goes through already so we can stop with our hypothetical arguing lol.

[The Big Chill]

I'm still really hoping it turns out to be JPA + Gose + someone like Sierra.

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Ty Berry ‏@tberry3 Seriously, most Jays fans: the rest of baseball is watching your anger over trading prospects for Dickey and laughing.



Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1
So to repeat, Anthony Gose is NOT part of the trade talks for Dickey. #Bluejays building a package around D'Arnaud. #Mets
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Been told in NO pemutation is Anthony Goes part of the trade that would send Dickey from #Bluejays to #Mets. But D'Arnaud definitely is in
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[TitovFTW]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I'm still really hoping it turns out to be JPA + Gose + someone like Sierra.

It be great but there's no chance of it happening. Dickey has way to much value my friend.

[Sylvanfan]

Really trading hitting prospects for established pitching, is something MLB farm systems seem to be able to take. If they can extend Dickey, they have a good rotation set up for 2-3 years, in which time they can build the farm system back up. MLB isn't a have your cake and eat it set up...you either have a good farm system, or a good team on the field, but very few organizations have both. With the age of a guys like Bautista, Reyes, and Encarnacion I don't have any issues with bein aggressive in going for it now. The time for those guys to produce is now.

[Rocky Raccoon]

If it turns out to be TDA and Gose for Dickey and Ike Davis I won't be upset. It would be interesting to know what type of players AA tried to acquire via free agency prior to trading prospects away for the roster player he needed.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Flickered Flame

I think its an excellent deal for both sides. The Mets get young pieces for their rebuild while the Jays add a cy young winner to be their #5 starter. The thing about baseball prospects, more than other pro sport, prospects turn out to be busts. Gose is a good prospect but I'd be shocked if he ever hits at the MLB level.

I'd agree if they were not trading prospects so close to the bigs... rare to see a team trade their top two position guys when they are this young and in AAA. Let alone when the guy coming back has one year of service time left.

Ike Davis has value at least though if thas true. Just wonder what the jays are going to do at catcher? JPA as the long term guy? Doesn't sound great.

[Rocky Raccoon]

I would also like to add that this is the first time I have been more interested in baseball than basketball. I am a huge sports fan in general and my priorities for a couple decades have been:

1. NHL
2. CFL
3. NBA
4. UFC
5. MLB
6. NFL

In the last 6 months or so it has shifted to:

1. NHL
2. NFL
3. UFC
4. MLB
5. CFL
6. NBA

This is quite a shift for me considering how long my sports interest priorities have been in place. This shift has quite a bit to do with the NBA turning into a terrible product and AA not only doing a great job in Toronto, but making plenty of moves as well.

I can't wait to see the final Jays roster and what they can do on the field starting in the regular season.

[secol]

i could see another piece possibly being tejada or murphy in addition to davis. basically better hitting versions of izturis

[secol]

also who the hell is danny barnes?

Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports Anthony Gose is not part of the trade talks for R.A. Dickey.

Gose had been rumored to be in the Jays' deal for Dickey, but there haven't been any confirmed players involved other than Travis d'Arnaud. CBS Sports' Jon Heyman speculates that the Mets could be targeting prospect right-hander Danny Barnes in a return package.

[jschick88]

I don't know too much about knuckle ballers but would there be a difference between playing in a dome vs playing outdoors? Probably a stupid question so forgive my ignorance.