General Ongoing Coyotes saga thread

[troutman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Interesting...so the yotes are staying in all liklihood?


Again...fine, just need it dealt with one way or the other.

It's not clear yet. I expect the vote to be 4-2 (or 4-3) in favour.

It will be up to GWI to decide if they will make further challenges. It is not certain Jamison has enough investors lined-up. The vote may help this - another challenge by GWI will hurt this. It seems the NHL is also running out of time.

Daniel Blanchet ‏@mxdan316
RT @NHLwiki: #NHL *News*-- #Goldwater Inst. can seek to invalidate #Coyotes vote as soon as Monday as per AZ state law.

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
MT @smunshi Sitren says #Goldwater will be back in court if the #Glendale council votes today to approve #Coyotes deal.

Daniel Blanchet ‏@mxdan316RT @NHLwiki: #NHL
- To follow the Glendale City ouncil vote on the #Coyotes deal live, it's here. Starts in 15 minutes. http://bit.ly/btqvSb

NHLwiki ‏@NHLwiki
#NHL *News*-- #Coyotes fans, Mayoral and council candidates, deal opposers, are all at Glendale city council vote.

Do we know what the new candidates think of the deal? IIRC, only one current councilor is running again.

[Resolute 14]

Irony would be the city agreeing to the lease, Jamison getting the investors together and buying the team, Goldwater actually suing (!), Goldwater winning the suit and invalidating the lease, and Jamison moving the team without having to pay any relocation fee since there is no valid lease. End result: Goldwater costing Glendale ridiculous amounts of money.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

It's the pure devine hatred against people and a market that has made me feel embarrassed to be a Canadian hockey fan.

I haven't been a saint, but try to be in my shoes during three years of this.

btw, Judge will not stop the Vote today via Twitter. Goldwater unsuccessful.

Yeah, doesn't seem fair. It's starting to look like hockey in Glendale might be coming to an end. It might be best for the league/Flames fans if that happens, but you can't help but feel bad for those who do care and have supported the team.

I'd be pretty choked if the Flames were leaving, and I don't think I'd be less choked they were leaving if my neighbours didn't care.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by troutman

Daniel Blanchet ‏@mxdan316
RT @NHLwiki: #NHL *News*-- #Goldwater Inst. can seek to invalidate #Coyotes vote as soon as Monday as per AZ state law.

Interesting to see if they go this route. It seems like the result of the vote has been decided either way, so this challenge would really just be delaying the inevitable for a day.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by valo403

Interesting to see if they go this route. It seems like the result of the vote has been decided either way, so this challenge would really just be delaying the inevitable for a day.

This may only be of interest to the lawyers:

Goldwater Institute ‏@GoldwaterInst
A PDF copy of the Motion for Temporary Restraining Order http://bit.ly/MnXNbp #Glendale #Coyotes #NHL

They were seeking a 10 day restraining order - 10 days could have killed this.

[automaton 3]

I'm having a hard time understanding why the CoG would be so determined to hold the vote today? Surely the NHL won't pull the plug over a couple days delay so the City can release the missing documents and put itself in compliance with the legislation.

Why does the City invite this kind of headache...especially since this morning's decision appears to open the door to an immediate challenge and they might be right back to square one.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by valo403

Interesting to see if they go this route. It seems like the result of the vote has been decided either way, so this challenge would really just be delaying the inevitable for a day.

Depending on the one councilman's illness, delaying to Monday could allow them to recover and be there for the vote. 4-2 is pretty much a foregone conclusion. At 4-3, you can work over someone to see if they will change their mind.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

I'm having a hard time understanding why the CoG would be so determined to hold the vote today? Surely the NHL won't pull the plug over a couple days delay so the City can release the missing documents and put itself in compliance with the legislation.

Why does the City invite this kind of headache...especially since this morning's decision appears to open the door to an immediate challenge and they might be right back to square one.

Probably being pressured by the NHL. I don't think there is another $25 million funding agreement for next season (yet), and unless this comes together quickly, it is possible the NHL finally sells and relocates the team. The league's drop dead date for a relocation cannot be more than mere days away.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Probably being pressured by the NHL. I don't think there is another $25 million funding agreement for next season (yet), and unless this comes together quickly, it is possible the NHL finally sells and relocates the team. The league's drop dead date for a relocation cannot be more than mere days away.

"@LisaHalverstadt:
@LucMenard360 Tindall said deadline was supposed to be five days after last #Coyotes game (May 22) but #Glendale got 30-day extension."

Does that mean June 22nd or 27th?

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
#Glendale Mayor Elaine Scruggs calls meeting into order. #Coyotes

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
#Glendale Councilwoman Norma Alvarez is not at today's meeting, @ceciliachan_AZ says. #Coyotes

http://glendale-az.granicus.com/Medi...p?publish_id=4

Goldwater Institute ‏@GoldwaterInstEven #Glendale City Atty. said that the court has the power to intervene after the vote. We intend to pursue this avenue. #Coyotes

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
Birnbaum: In present value, #Glendale gets $17.8M more over 20 years with #Coyotes.

[Muta]

Alright, Council Meeting is on! GO Quebec GO!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by troutman

This may only be of interest to the lawyers:

Goldwater Institute ‏@GoldwaterInst
A PDF copy of the Motion for Temporary Restraining Order http://bit.ly/MnXNbp #Glendale #Coyotes #NHL

They were seeking a 10 day restraining order - 10 days could have killed this.

The first page of that document contains the kind of error that makes me think GWI wouldn't have a hope in hell of winning an actual suit.

Today at 10:15 am, the Glendale City Council is scheduled to hold a public hearing to vote on a resolution and contract committing public facilities exclusively for 20 years, committing $325 in public funds, and relinquishing parking rights the City recently valued at over $100 million

$325 huh? Think you might want to throw the word million in there maybe? It speaks to a lack of attention to detail and a lack of care.

[tjinaz]

If the court cannot issue a TRO due to separation of powers how can they overturn a vote? Same logic applies. They could sanction COG but I don't think they can overturn or even force the vote to happen again.

If they go after COG on the gift clause I would think they would have to post a bond of some type in case they lose the case and cause the deal to fall through. Court would have to allow for a form of recourse. If that were to occur COG could definitely prove millions in damages and essentially own GWI or force them to shut down. Not sure GWI would risk its existence for this

[greyshep]

Anyone else watching this meeting?

What a dog and pony show.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

I'm having a hard time understanding why the CoG would be so determined to hold the vote today? Surely the NHL won't pull the plug over a couple days delay so the City can release the missing documents and put itself in compliance with the legislation.

Why does the City invite this kind of headache...especially since this morning's decision appears to open the door to an immediate challenge and they might be right back to square one.

I'm an amateur to this, but could it be due to city council enacting Emergency Vote measures, which negates the chance for a voter plebiscite?

i.e.; An emergency vote will pass the lease, a plebiscite will not.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

If the court cannot issue a TRO due to separation of powers how can they overturn a vote? Same logic applies. They could sanction COG but I don't think they can overturn or even force the vote to happen again.

If they go after COG on the gift clause I would think they would have to post a bond of some type in case they lose the case and cause the deal to fall through. Court would have to allow for a form of recourse. If that were to occur COG could definitely prove millions in damages and essentially own GWI or force them to shut down. Not sure GWI would risk its existence for this

I think that is a fair analysis. To me the AMF is clearly a subsidy, but I think it survives the gift clause if COG can show the loss to Glendale is greater if the Coyotes leave. However, I think they may be under-estimating how many events could be held in Jobbing if the Coyotes left.

ex.
Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
Kessler: Without #Coyotes, there's potential for 20 more events than if hockey team stayed but attendance projections not available.

GWI seems to be now leaning on the following point:

Goldwater Institute ‏@GoldwaterInst #Glendale
mayor & councilmembers haven't yet been given the economic analysis, let alone the public. #Coyotes

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by troutman

I think that is a fair analysis. To me the AMF is clearly a subsidy, but I think it survives the gift clause if COG can show the loss to Glendale is greater if the Coyotes leave. However, I think they may be under-estimating how many events could be held in Jobbing if the Coyotes left.

GWI seems to be now leaning on the following point:

Goldwater Institute ‏@GoldwaterInst #Glendale
mayor & councilmembers haven't yet been given the economic analysis, let alone the public. #Coyotes

Yes, they are covering that issue in the meeting. None of the council members actually had copies of the report. They had to ask for copies during this meeting. Crazy.

Definitely seems like they have put themselves into a position where they are trying to rush this through...likely due to the NHL having a deadline looming.

From what I can see, no one on council is really willing to change their minds. If you watch the proceedings, you can see clearly where each councillor will be voting.

[troutman]

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
RT @ceciliachan_AZ #Glendale mayor said meeting will last another 2 to 3 hours. #Coyotes

This is going to take all afternoon.

Bettman is about to speak . . .

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadtBettman: "We believe that this team, the #Coyotes, can be here and should be here." #Glendale

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
Bettman: "If we're moving forward together, we will be in a position to discuss deferring at least a portion of what we are owed." #Coyotes

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by troutman

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
RT @ceciliachan_AZ #Glendale mayor said meeting will last another 2 to 3 hours. #Coyotes

This is going to take all afternoon.

Bettman is about to speak . . .

He is speaking now.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think its terrible that people tend to be actively cheering for the Coyotes to leave Phoenix. I don't really care one way or another what happens but for people to actually be rooting for the franchise to leave is just weird to me. If the shoe was on the other foot I doubt people would have this mindset.

Phoenix just went through an economic class that is hurting all their sports teams and it's a big reason for the struggles (combined with their first real success being this season).

How soon we forget how the Flames/Oilers were close to having to move when the Canadian economy was in the tank and the teams were consistantly losing.

Sorry, If The City of Calgary was propping up the Flames to the tune of $17,000,000/yr in tax payer dollars, and there was a proposed sales tax increase that would adversely affect all economic classes, I would be the first guy to say, sell or move the team. I say that as a true 32 year fan, from day 1 I have lived and died the Flames.

Pro sports is an ultimate luxury, and it should not hurt the city it represents or it's citizens.

[topfiverecords]

Holy pump Bettman's tires.