2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Mike Russo reporting that Wild GM has been given the green light by ownership to make trades even if it costs the team a playoff spot.

https://theathletic.com/818760/2019/...-zucker-staal/

That last trade by Fenton looked bad at the time though and appears even worse in retrospect, so they probably don't want him making more like that one.

Think Rask has been a staple in the bottom 6 for Minnesota, and Niederreiter has looked great on the top line in Carolina.

[Nelson]

Speaking of Minnesota, I still wish we would have gotten Nino Neiderreiter. I was interested in him for years.

I wouldn't be as interested in Charlie Coyle, but Devan Dubnyk would be a great get. It all depends on the price.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Muta

I'd totally be down for Tre trying to get Coyle and Dubnyk somehow.

Holy crap, Dubnyk would be pretty awesome actually. Didn't think he would be an option. Imagine him winning the Cup in Calgary after Edmonton giving up on him.

His cap hit is only $4.33 million until 2021. Only 32 years old. He has a modified NTC, but being from Sask, I think he might waive to go to the Flames.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Which goaltending success was that?...

Ugh. This again?

Criticism of Sigalet is certainly worth discussion when there is something to discuss. A poster yesterday put together a pretty solid breakdown of some differences he thinks he sees in how Flames goalies play that he also believes are a result of Sigalet's coaching. That is abundantly fair.

But that is the exception. Most of the arguments over coaching gravitate around these unconvincing, anecdotal claims of causation from correlation. Most of the advocates for a coaching change make these typically binary projections which seem to treat all goalies as equal, absolving them of all their own skills and deficiencies. The fact that goalies who struggled in the Flames organisation have continued to struggle elsewhere is a pretty good indicator, I think, that Sigalet is probably not the problem.

Occam's razor would rather suggest that Hiller, Ortio, Elliott, and Johnson are just not very good goalies. Ramo suffered a NHL career-ending injury, Smith is at an age that is unsurprisingly catching up to him, and Rittich is still learning to play lots of games at a high level and manage to pressure.

Maybe we've never had the best goaltending in the world, but over Sigalet's tenure we've had the fourth worst 5v5 SV% so even if I am dead freakin' wrong I'd rather try something different than the ol' Definition of Insanity.

But that's not the definition of insanity.

[sureLoss]

on TSN, Bob McKenzie says the Flames are considering all options at goaltending but right now management has more faith in Rittich and Smith than the fans do right now

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Holy crap, Dubnyk would be pretty awesome actually. Didn't think he would be an option. Imagine the him winning the Cup in Calgary after Edmonton giving up on him.

His cap hit is only $4.33 million until 2021. Only 32 years old. He has a modified NTC, but being from Sask, I think he might waive to go to the Flames.

I thought he was a 7 million dollar cap hit. But I’m probably wrong.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I thought he was a 7 million dollar cap hit. But I’m probably wrong.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/devan-dubnyk

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

being from Sask, I think he might waive to go to the Flames.

He was born in Regina, but didn't he grow up in Calgary?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by getbak

He was born in Regina, but didn't he grow up in Calgary?

I thought he was from Calgary until I saw his birthplace, so you are probably right.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

on TSN, Bob McKenzie says the Flames are considering all options at goaltending but right now management has more faith in Rittich and Smith than the fans do right now

I actually love hearing that !

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Holy crap, Dubnyk would be pretty awesome actually. Didn't think he would be an option. Imagine him winning the Cup in Calgary after Edmonton giving up on him.

His cap hit is only $4.33 million until 2021. Only 32 years old. He has a modified NTC, but being from Sask, I think he might waive to go to the Flames.

That’s a great cap hit for him. But I can’t see them trading their starting goalie unless it’s a massive over payment

[sureLoss]

Insider trading:

Ottawa and Winnipeg seem like dance partners IF Stone or Duchene are not re-signed by the Sens

the word out of Ottawa is that contract talks are on going and McKenzie believes that to be accurate
there is going to be a push for Stone or Duchene to sign with Ottawa
going to take another 2 or 3 days to see if that push has any traction

Sens are going to negotiate with those guys and also look at trade options
that is why Dorion and his assistants are in Winnipeg to scout the Jets and Moose over the next couple of games

while Boudreau has guaranteed the playoffs, Wild owners have given Fenton the green light to retool the team
core players like Coyle, Zucker, Brodin, Granlund are all potentially in play
Eric Staal's 10 team no trade list was strategically made to include most of the contenders and LeBrun isn't convinced that Staal will waive

preliminary trade talks between Oilers and Flyers about Talbot
Talbot has Flyers on his No trade list but granted the Oilers permission to talk to the Flyers
Oilers would have to get a goalie back Stolarz or McKenna

Flames not panicking about goaltending
while obviously all options are being considered - whether they get a rental like Howard or a guy like Quick
management has more faith in Rittich and Smith than the fans and media do but this is a developing story

the offers that Fletcher has for Simmonds are not at the level he wants
more likely than not that Fletcher moves Simmonds but there is a chance Simmonds stays as an own rental or they re-sign him

Kapanen and Dubas to meet next weekend to start preliminary contract extension

[emti]

Originally Posted by getbak

He was born in Regina, but didn't he grow up in Calgary?

Scenic Acres! Him and Matt Dumba both

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Eric Staal's 10 team no trade list was strategically made to include most of the contenders and LeBrun isn't convinced that Staal will waive

Clever. Never heard of a player doing that, but smart as it gives the 10 team modification more power than the team probably counted on.

Was the 10 team list submitted when the contract was made, or did he recently submit one?

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Insider trading:

Ottawa and Winnipeg seem like dance partners IF Stone or Duchene are not re-signed by the Sens

the word out of Ottawa is that contract talks are on going and McKenzie believes that to be accurate
there is going to be a push for Stone or Duchene to sign with Ottawa
going to take another 2 or 3 days to see if that push has any traction

Sens are going to negotiate with those guys and also look at trade options
that is why Dorion and his assistants are in Winnipeg to scout the Jets and Moose over the next couple of games

while Boudreau has guaranteed the playoffs, Wild owners have given Fenton the green light to retool the team
core players like Coyle, Zucker, Brodin, Granlund are all potentially in play
Eric Staal's 10 team no trade list was strategically made to include most of the contenders and LeBrun isn't convinced that Staal will waive

preliminary trade talks between Oilers and Flyers about Talbot
Talbot has Flyers on his No trade list but granted the Oilers permission to talk to the Flyers
Oilers would have to get a goalie back Stolarz or McKenna

Flames not panicking about goaltending
while obviously all options are being considered - whether they get a rental like Howard or a guy like Quick
management has more faith in Rittich and Smith than the fans and media do but this is a developing story

the offers that Fletcher has for Simmonds are not at the level he wants
more likely than not that Fletcher moves Simmonds but there is a chance Simmonds stays as an own rental or they re-sign him

Kapanen and Dubas to meet next weekend to start preliminary contract extension

I want to know what the price would be for Jason Zucker.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I want to know what the price would be for Jason Zucker.

I am still more interested in the other Zuccar(ello).

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am still more interested in the other Zuccar(ello).

Haha That's understandable. Zuccarello would be awesome.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ramo wasn't as good statistically as Hiller in their first year together and Johnson was worse than Elliott IMO, aside from a hot streak early in the season.



I wouldn't really call Howard a big name at this point. And the Flames have also not done well with other no-names - Berra, Ortio, McBackup, Macdonald, etc.

Statistically Ramo wasn’t as good as Hiller for one season, but I didn’t like Hiller’s game even in 14-15 and the ugliness reared its head in the playoffs where he lost his job to Ramo and then permanently in 15-16 where Hiller had the worst season of his career.

But regardless, of all the names you’d have expected to have been good, it was actually the no name guys who emerged. I’m not necessarily saying those guys were all unbelievable or anything. I’m just saying those were the better goaltenders of that period IMO. Ramo was very solid here in his time and Johnson helped save the 16-17 season with a really good stretch.

Lastly, Howard may not necessarily be a big name per se. But he’s the biggest name in terms of rental goaltenders and Holland was even looking for 1st round pick in exchange for him. Obviously not going to get that, but my main point is, maybe the Flames should be looking for a cheaper insurance policy instead.




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[1qqaaz]

I would much rather have Zuccar(ello) than Wayne Simmonds (with price taken into account)

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Clever. Never heard of a player doing that, but smart as it gives the 10 team modification more power than the team probably counted on.

Was the 10 team list submitted when the contract was made, or did he recently submit one?

typically the lists are submitted every summer, but players could have when the list needs to be submitted negotiated differently. e.g. he needs to submit it on January 1st or 4 weeks before the deadline or 24 hours after the team requests it

if it was submitted in the summer, a good chance that the Flames are not on it.

Then again if he doesn't want to be a rental that badly, I would avoid getting him.