Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

The operation in Jabaliya in the north of the Gaza Strip: IDF forces detained for questioning dozens of Palestinians who were transferred to the Shin Bet and Unit 504 of the Amman. As part of the encirclement of Jabaliya and the evacuation of the population in recent days, the IDF set up checkpoints, where women and children were separated from men of fighting age to make sure they are not involved in terrorism

The Google translate version.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by activeStick

God damn it. Now I have IDF propaganda on my Youtube timeline. I should have known better than to blindly open links to Youtube videos.

Don't let your buddies see that, they might march you off a building.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Don't let your buddies see that, they might march you off a building.

Why, do you think he is Russian or something?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The Google translate version.

to be clear, that doesn't count as taking hostages right?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Why, do you think he is Russian or something?

I bet he is Russian to change his Youtubes algorithm

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

to be clear, that doesn't count as taking hostages right?

I dunno, they seem like a pretty disciplined group.

Yossi Melman of Haaretz has claimed that the unit "has had a reputation of acting unscrupulously, lacking inhibition and proper supervision, whose commanders will whitewash investigations and turn a blind eye to questionable operations," saying that the unit has been accused of using torture and of being involved in drug smuggling.[8] Chris McGreal of The Guardian has written that the unit "has a hard reputation, and some of its members have badly blemished records."[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_504#Criticism


I'm sure this operation is being executed in the most moral way possible, though.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I hate this type of 'but what if the tables were reversed?' argument, but given my prior claims that the US and other 'Western' nations are explicitly fine with anti-muslim discrimination and think less of Muslim lives, it's worth thinking what CNN would be saying if the above convoy was carting off Canadian civilians, British civilians, or Israeli civilians.

I really think we're at the culmination of 50+ years of Western powers engaging in terrorism and murder in predominantly Muslim countries, and they're capping it off with a significant regional extermination.

That anyone can watch the above scenes and not have a visceral reaction is unimaginable to me.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Why, do you think he is Russian or something?

Maybe, Putin is a big proponent of Hamas and Hezbollah so maybe thats where they get inspiration.

[IliketoPuck]

Israel attacking Hamas (Iran / Russia backed proxy) and Hezbollah (Iran / Russia backed proxy) and the Houthi's (Iran / Russia backed proxy) is the culmination of Western middle eastern strategy?

To me it seems like the more simple explanation that we are in the "1936-1939" time line of a world wide conflict is more plausible.

We are witnessing the opening stages of conflict between a collection of dictatorships and western democracies.

Russia kicked it off, with support from Iran, North Korea, and China.

Now North Korea is directly participating with troops in Ukraine.

Iran is directly attacking Israel already.

China going after Taiwan seems to be the only remaining domino to fall.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Israel attacking Hamas (Iran / Russia backed proxy) and Hezbollah (Iran / Russia backed proxy) and the Houthi's (Iran / Russia backed proxy) is the culmination of Western middle eastern strategy?

I was explicit that it's simply a disregard for Muslims. I spoke nothing about a geopolitical strategy - there isn't any other than disabling Muslim societies.

[CalgaryKid12]

Nvm

[Language]

This is somewhat completely unrelated, but found this video on YT which shows daily life in Tehran, Iran, via a walking tour of various areas. Pretty fascinating look at a city that’s not often shown for various reasons.

https://youtu.be/es3gwbhxz6w?si=N0S56vK8EYGiEWYE

I know Iran is generally considered a secular nation, despite their extreme ruling leadership. And I also know that they’re not Arab, but Persian. With that said, it’s surprising to see in the video that there are many women that don’t wear the hijab. Based on the protests I’d read about and some of the issues women were facing with arrest and abuse, I thought it would be more “enforced” to wear one.

I also didn’t know that Iran Mall was the world’s largest mall. They also show a hockey game taking place within the mall in the 24 minute mark!

Anyway, I know this has nothing to do with the thread at hand, but thought some of you may find it interesting. Tehran looks like a beautiful bustling city, and cleaner than most cities in North America. Hopefully there comes a day where peace prevails and people of all race/religions can travel freely to these different cities and experience the local cultures. It’s always been a dream of mine to visit Tehran or Beirut - seems like a far away dream now but maybe somewhere in this lifetime.


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[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Language

This is somewhat completely unrelated, but found this video on YT which shows daily life in Tehran, Iran, via a walking tour of various areas. Pretty fascinating look at a city that’s not often shown for various reasons.

https://youtu.be/es3gwbhxz6w?si=N0S56vK8EYGiEWYE

I know Iran is generally considered a secular nation, despite their extreme ruling leadership. And I also know that they’re not Arab, but Persian. With that said, it’s surprising to see in the video that there are many women that don’t wear the hijab. Based on the protests I’d read about and some of the issues women were facing with arrest and abuse, I thought it would be more “enforced” to wear one.

I also didn’t know that Iran Mall was the world’s largest mall. They also show a hockey game taking place within the mall in the 24 minute mark!

Anyway, I know this has nothing to do with the thread at hand, but thought some of you may find it interesting. Tehran looks like a beautiful bustling city, and cleaner than most cities in North America. Hopefully there comes a day where peace prevails and people of all race/religions can travel freely to these different cities and experience the local cultures. It’s always been a dream of mine to visit Tehran or Beirut - seems like a far away dream now but maybe somewhere in this lifetime.


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Thanks for sharing.

West Tehran looks beautiful, especially by the water! The misalignment between what you've read and what you've now seen in a video has become pretty common these days with the increase in travel vloggers and more and more people now able to see how normal day-to-day life is anywhere in the world. We need to always keep in mind that things we read and hear in our mainstream media are presented from a Western perspective and are sometimes presented to us to push/strengthen a narrative. Our countries also invest significant money overseas to deliver propoganda to serve Western goals as well ($1.6B was approved in September for this very purpose!).

The better thing to do instead of accepting everything our media presents to us as a fair and unbiased position, especially when it comes to what another country and its people are like, if people are able to, is to visit these places that our leaders tell us are terrible, after spending some time first to find out what people who have visited, experienced. You'll likely see that many of these countries have "travel advisories" issued by our governments, but again, take these with a grain of salt. Some are valid, others, not so much.

[btimbit]

It's a good reminder that in Iran, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere else in the world, the vast majority of people are normal, not involved in conflicts, and just want to live their lives without being bothered

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by btimbit

It's a good reminder that in Iran, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere else in the world, the vast majority of people are normal, not involved in conflicts, and just want to live their lives without being bothered

Unfortunately most of their leadership is the opposite.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by btimbit

It's a good reminder that in Iran, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere else in the world, the vast majority of people are normal, not involved in conflicts, and just want to live their lives without being bothered

Well, at least 150 people in Northern Gaza today don't need to worry anymore.

[Icantwhisper]

What??? I thought only the "bad guys" used propaganda, you're telling me "good guys" do it too?

[Looch City]

I thought we're all Hamas?

[activeStick]

IDF soldier has confirmed that Israel is using human shields. Brutal.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1849500352367738942

[Looch City]

As I said: Hamas, Hezbollah, IDF, they're all the same.