2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Exactly. So it may take the flames overpaying to get him. I mentioned Andersson + Coleman (50% retained) for Tij Iginla. But in reality, the age of those players would make it so they are likely not interested. It might take including a prospect from the flames like Honzek as well.

It’s likely a moot point as you said… teams just don’t trade their top prospect unless they are forced to.

Arizona asks for Zayne.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Coleman is worth significantly more than that with that type of retention.

Maybe. Veteran wingers are returning less these days it seems. I know lots of people on this forum think he’ll return a first round pick but it’s pretty rare for wingers to return that these days.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Arizona asks for Zayne.

And if thats the only thing they would be interested in in an Iginla trade, then that ends the trade discussion IMO. The idea would be that Utah is desperate to make the playoffs and do well - trying to duplicate the early success seasons of Vegas and Seattle. If they are desperate enough to do that and have a successful first half of the season, my hope is they would entertain trading Ifinla for short term (2 years of Andersson and Coleman) help.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm not one for hard line rules.

Each player is unique.

29-37 is better than say 32-40.

And Andersson is a pretty important part of the dressing room, and a guy that found fitness later in life and gets it.

Once again if he wants out so be it, and if he stays it would have to be a contract that makes sense, ... but count me out of paint yourself into a corner rules

You have to be careful which ones you sign in that age bracket. I am not for hard rules either, but he is a player that likely does not age well.

The locker room stuff is overrated to me, most guys are good in the room the ones you usually have to worry about are the Kane and Perry types you can ruin things.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Arizona asks for Zayne.

I don't think Utah trades their first ever draft pick no matter what is offered. If Tij ever is a Flame it will be much further down the road imo.

[Ped]

If the HC wanted Parekh in front of Iginla, they would have picked him. So they would probably ask for Zayne +

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Personally, I would rather get a single A-level prospect like Iginla instead of those picks.

Agreed.

I would love to see the Flames trade their top asset to a team willing to trade an A prospect (ideally a Centre*)

NYR - Perrault
SEA - Catton*
BUF - Helenius* or Kulich
UTA - Iginla
Min - Yurov*

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Parallex

He's got two years left on his deal... probability of extension isn't really part of the equation yet.

I'm not sure what he would return in Trade... a 1st+ for sure but what the range on the + is I really don't know.

He gets you more if he will extend. Or just go to whatever team that pays him the most but I would imagine with his competitiveness he would like a chance on a non rebuilding team.

[Monahammer]

I wonder if there was anything we could add to Rasmus to land Power from Buffalo. Their LD is stacked... The gap is probably significant, but I wonder if it's achievable.

[Monahammer]

I also think Columbus could make sense for Rasmus. Sillinger + ... but I would want a pretty considerable pick as the plus and it seems like they're not going to trade those.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I wonder if there was anything we could add to Rasmus to land Power from Buffalo. Their LD is stacked... The gap is probably significant, but I wonder if it's achievable.

No, of course not.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Agreed.

I would love to see the Flames trade their top asset to a team willing to trade an A prospect (ideally a Centre*)

NYR - Perrault
SEA - Catton*
BUF - Helenius* or Kulich
UTA - Iginla
Min - Yurov*

Agreed. Would really love a move like that. I just think Calgary would have to add to Andersson to get any of those players (except maybe Helenius or Kulich just because Buffalo is so deep with prospects they might trade one of them straight up for Andersson cause they can afford it). For anyone else, the flames are likely adding picks and/or prospects to entice the team to give up their most valuable asset.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Exactly. So it may take the flames overpaying to get him. I mentioned Andersson + Coleman (50% retained) for Tij Iginla. But in reality, the age of those players would make it so they are likely not interested. It might take including a prospect from the flames like Honzek as well.

It’s likely a moot point as you said… teams just don’t trade their top prospect unless they are forced to.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Arizona asks for Zayne.

Utah literally just traded Geekie who was an 11th overall pick that would be very comparable to Iginla.

Geekie + Moser + 2nd for Sergachev. Main difference between Sergachev and Andersson is 2 years vs 7 years...but Andersson's 2 years are way more affordable.

That's what type of return you're aiming for with Andersson.

Last Three Seasons:

Andersson:
Age: 27
GP: 239
5V5 TOI: 4164
5V5 TOI/GP: 17:25
xGF: 52.3%
GF%: 53.4%
5v5 G: 15
5v5 P: 73

Total TOI/GP: 23:30
Total G: 24
Total P: 138
Hits: 149
Shots Blocked: 423

Sergachev:
Age: 26
GP: 191
5V5 TOI: 3387
5V5 TOI/GP: 17:44
xGF: 52.39
GF%: 50.3%
5v5 G: 13
5v5 P : 68

Total TOI/GP: 23:01
Total G: 19
Total P: 121
Hits: 297
Shots Blocked: 155

Not sure you're going to find a better comparable in terms of what type of trade return you'd be hoping to get for Andersson.

Should add that I don't see Utah trading Iginla - but just flagging there is precedent of a similar type of deal there. I'd argue the Geekie + Moser + 2nd is potentially more valuable than Iginla. It's more just unlikely that teams trade their more recent 1st rounders...need to be looking at 2021-2023 1st rounders as those are more likely to move.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Agreed.

I would love to see the Flames trade their top asset to a team willing to trade an A prospect (ideally a Centre*)

NYR - Perrault
SEA - Catton*
BUF - Helenius* or Kulich
UTA - Iginla
Min - Yurov*

Everyone would prefer that.
How often does it happen?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think Utah trades their first ever draft pick no matter what is offered. If Tij ever is a Flame it will be much further down the road imo.

I think the best thing that Utah could do is make the playoffs - that's how you build a fanbase.

And they aren't far off - it isn't a stretch at all to think they make it in this year. Add Andersson, and I think their chances rise to 'likely'.

That is worth WAY more than a draft pick - even a 6OA.

[Harry Lime]

Following Supermatts template,

Jusso Parssinen (centre 23 years old)
Dante Fabbro (RD 26 years old)
Vegas 1st 2025

for

Rasmus Andersson
Colorado 2nd 2025

Nashville could use a partner for Josi. Calgary could use a high ceiling centre (Langkow type) and stay at home D to audition for one of the spots next to the offense kids.

[Enoch Root]

If NSH acquired Andersson, it would be because they think they can compete this year. So I don't they want to move anyone off the roster.

[Jiggy]

CGY: Andersson + Pelletier for OTT: Pinto + Jacob Bernard Docker

[D as in David]

I know very little about Parssinen but that looks like a pretty good 7th-round selection by Nashville.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You have to be careful which ones you sign in that age bracket. I am not for hard rules either, but he is a player that likely does not age well.

The locker room stuff is overrated to me, most guys are good in the room the ones you usually have to worry about are the Kane and Perry types you can ruin things.

Disagree on that second point.

I'd say 90% of players are neutral to the zone. 5% are cancer and 5% create culture, and make players around them better.