08-25-2009, 10:24 AM
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Norm!
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I love conspiracy theory logic, it should be a university course
Conspiracy theorist - "The CIA shot JFK for revenge over the cuban missile crisis and bay of pigs fiasco"
Sheeple - "Whats your proof?"
Conspiracy thoerist - "There was probably a guy on the grassy knoll who shot at the same time as Lee Harvey Oswald hitting Kennedy in near the exact same spot"
Sheeple - "So I assume that there are pictures, or footprints, or powder marks on the grass, or witnesses"
Conspiracy theorist - "There would be, but the government which is actually fema under the command of the evil cross dresser J Edgar Hoover covered it up and silenced the truth"
Sheeple - "Do you know how many people they'd need to keep quiet on that"
Conspiracy theorist - "The government can vanish several thousand people into relocation camps and their families to keep them quiet"
Sheeple - "So you can't prove anything without loosely linked together coincidences that actually have anything to do with anything and then glue them with the evil government bottle of crazy glue right?"
Conspiract theorist - "Well can you prove that the CIA didn't kill Kennedy?"
Sheeple - "What the f?"
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08-25-2009, 11:04 AM
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#982
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There are only 2 things that make me question the JFK assassination:
1) Why did his head go back and to the left when he was supposed have been shot from behind?
2) Magic bullet theory.
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08-25-2009, 11:08 AM
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#983
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
Actually Tower brought up the Austrian journalist who filed charges with the FBI over a swine flu conspiracy.......not I.
And, just going by memory here, but I dont even remember HIV being discussed in this thread. Maybe Tower alone brought it up...?
I do believe swine flu is a bunch of bogus hype, ...but that is my opinion. If you want to get in line for your shot go right ahead.
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Not taking a shot per se Mikey....but again you believe a strain of the flu that has already claimed more people worldwide the last century than the population of Canada....is bogus hype???
In what world?
I dont know if you understand WHY they are concerned about this particular strain, but simply put it is one that has run rampant before and has now mutated into one they have no idea how to contain, nor how much more deadly it may become. There is a very valid reason the WHO is giving this thing their utmost attention though. ANd it aint ti line the pockets of drug companies.
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08-25-2009, 11:29 AM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Not taking a shot per se Mikey....but again you believe a strain of the flu that has already claimed more people worldwide the last century than the population of Canada....is bogus hype???
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Well, to be fair the hype was disproportionately high.
Cancer for example killed 7.9 million people worldwide in 2007. Multiply that by 100 years to get a century long figure (yes, yes oversimplified I know but its close enough so lets run with it) and you're at 790 million or about 24 times the population of Canada
I could only find the US stats so we'll extrapolate those to worldwide figured but... Car accidents kill about 42,000 every year in the states. If you extrapolate at that rate to the population of the world that's about 860,000 per year. Multiply that by a hundred years and you have 86,000,000 or about two and a half times the population of Canada.
Sure, those figures aren't the actual ones and are just extrapolations of current rates and furthermore its a bit suspect to take the US car accident fatality rate and simply multiply it based on world population for obvious reasons. But... they're just as valid as comparing medicine from the 1900's to today.
H1N1 is bad and all but the hype did get a bit overblown.
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08-25-2009, 11:46 AM
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God of Hating Twitter
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Its hyped and overblown because of modern media. The instant media age does no good when it comes to dealing with any hint of possibly scary information.
WHO has a big fear, that fear is what spanish flu and the black plague did to world populations will pale in comparison to the amount we can expect to see dead the next time a highly contagious, deadly virus comes to visit.
Virulogists are a very concerned bunch, the few that I've heard speak typically are waiting for the next big one, and this is why WHO is so aggressive.
With international travel, massive popluations in small areas the next airborne based virus that has a serious change of death could decimate a significant part of the human popluation.
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08-25-2009, 11:51 AM
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Norm!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arsenal
There are only 2 things that make me question the JFK assassination:
1) Why did his head go back and to the left when he was supposed have been shot from behind?
2) Magic bullet theory.
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Pretty decently done page on explaining and looking at the single bullet theory
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm
Decent enough explanation for the head back and to the left
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/wecht2.htm
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08-25-2009, 11:56 AM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3
Well, to be fair the hype was disproportionately high.
Cancer for example killed 7.9 million people worldwide in 2007. Multiply that by 100 years to get a century long figure (yes, yes oversimplified I know but its close enough so lets run with it) and you're at 790 million or about 24 times the population of Canada
I could only find the US stats so we'll extrapolate those to worldwide figured but... Car accidents kill about 42,000 every year in the states. If you extrapolate at that rate to the population of the world that's about 860,000 per year. Multiply that by a hundred years and you have 86,000,000 or about two and a half times the population of Canada.
Sure, those figures aren't the actual ones and are just extrapolations of current rates and furthermore its a bit suspect to take the US car accident fatality rate and simply multiply it based on world population for obvious reasons. But... they're just as valid as comparing medicine from the 1900's to today.
H1N1 is bad and all but the hype did get a bit overblown.
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In the space of 27 months from March 1918 to June 1920 it is estimated that a full 1/3 of the worlds population was infected and conservatively 40 million people died....from the same strain as H1N1.
Extroplate that.
Obviously the medical field has made massive strides since then and likely has a much better and quicker response to anything similar this time around. That doesnt mean that the "hype" as you put it, is anything but appropriate in one way...education for prevention.
Yes, it seemed to of been made a bigger deal than first thought, but it isnt anywhere close to over either. Not until we get into the winter months will we see what happens...hoefully nothing. In the mean time i think its great everyone knows about and can help prevent it from spreading....dont you?
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08-25-2009, 11:58 AM
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#988
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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My dad has a bit of a natural paranoia about the government, he's prone to biting on conspiracy theories. He was talking to my sister on the weekend who convinced him to watch Zeitgeist and he did, so when I spoke with him on the phone that's basically all we(or he) talked about. Ugh...
I just can't bring myself to watch that crap.
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08-25-2009, 12:03 PM
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#989
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Not taking a shot per se Mikey....but again you believe a strain of the flu that has already claimed more people worldwide the last century than the population of Canada....is bogus hype???
In what world?
I dont know if you understand WHY they are concerned about this particular strain, but simply put it is one that has run rampant before and has now mutated into one they have no idea how to contain, nor how much more deadly it may become. There is a very valid reason the WHO is giving this thing their utmost attention though. ANd it aint ti line the pockets of drug companies.
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Well, considering about 36,000 die in America annually from regular flu, yeah swine flu is hype.....
How many have died from the new swine flu strain that came out in April?
This article from late July says "more than 700"
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/...swine-flu.html
This WHO article says 1800 worldwide.....
http://www.news-medical.net/news/200...each-1800.aspx
So I guess it depends who you ask....
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08-25-2009, 12:06 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaneuf3
Well, to be fair the hype was disproportionately high.
Cancer for example killed 7.9 million people worldwide in 2007. Multiply that by 100 years to get a century long figure (yes, yes oversimplified I know but its close enough so lets run with it) and you're at 790 million or about 24 times the population of Canada
I could only find the US stats so we'll extrapolate those to worldwide figured but... Car accidents kill about 42,000 every year in the states. If you extrapolate at that rate to the population of the world that's about 860,000 per year. Multiply that by a hundred years and you have 86,000,000 or about two and a half times the population of Canada.
Sure, those figures aren't the actual ones and are just extrapolations of current rates and furthermore its a bit suspect to take the US car accident fatality rate and simply multiply it based on world population for obvious reasons. But... they're just as valid as comparing medicine from the 1900's to today.
H1N1 is bad and all but the hype did get a bit overblown.
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While they have made great strides in medicine. Our tools against battling viral infections is still woefully primitive. It basically involves vaccination, quarantine and bed rest. With travel much easier than in 1918 a full blown pandemic could wipe out a much greater chunk of the population.
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08-25-2009, 12:06 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
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The main thing is that those that are dying from the swine flue are otherwise healthy adults. Regular flu tends to kill the very young or the very old.
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08-25-2009, 12:09 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
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Yeah...the CURRENT strain is not as a big a worry as it may have been...but moving forward and as we get towards the winter months....there is a very real possibility that it mutates once again and enough to cause a serious pandemic.
AS Thor mentioned, Virologists and their peers (not government or media employed BTW) are very worried about this stuff. Its not a matter of if, but more a matter of when. (much like the San Andreas fault...not if but when)
This particular virus has a history of being flat out deadly. The "hype" is warranted even if the media coverage seems over the top.
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08-25-2009, 12:13 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by transplant99
In the space of 27 months from March 1918 to June 1920 it is estimated that a full 1/3 of the worlds population was infected and conservatively 40 million people died....from the same strain as H1N1.
Extroplate that.
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Yes... A disease 90 years ago killed a lot of people. My point is that there are PLENTY of diseases that existed and/or continue to exist that put H1N1 to shame when it comes to body count - either in the long term or in a very short span like the 27 months you reference. However, these much more problematic things get little to no concern compared to the media coverage the swine flu got.
Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Obviously the medical field has made massive strides since then and likely has a much better and quicker response to anything similar this time around. That doesnt mean that the "hype" as you put it, is anything but appropriate in one way...education for prevention.
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If it was simply education for prevention that they were spreading.... great...
But the constant media coverage of the swine flu was nothing but an attempt to stir up fear and sell newspapers.
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Originally Posted by transplant99
In the mean time i think its great everyone knows about and can help prevent it from spreading....dont you?
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Again, if that's what they were doing it would have been a good idea but it wasn't. After months and months of around the clock apocalyptic warnings of hearing how pigs were going to cough on me in attempt to murder me and everyone I care about, the real message gets tuned out and replaced by irrational hysteria.
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08-25-2009, 02:07 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Yeah...the CURRENT strain is not as a big a worry as it may have been...but moving forward and as we get towards the winter months....there is a very real possibility that it mutates once again and enough to cause a serious pandemic.
AS Thor mentioned, Virologists and their peers (not government or media employed BTW) are very worried about this stuff. Its not a matter of if, but more a matter of when. (much like the San Andreas fault...not if but when)
This particular virus has a history of being flat out deadly. The "hype" is warranted even if the media coverage seems over the top.
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Do you know what happened when swine flu came out in 1976?
Well.........they started a vaccination program after a military member in the New Jersey area died from swine flu. Shortly after taking the vaccine, many people died, and many others suffered from nervous system disease after taking the shot.......the government had to pay out alot of money to the victims. This time around however, vaccine companies have applied for legal ammunity if something goes wrong....
Funny 1976 swine flu commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__AzgfrfrOY
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08-25-2009, 03:16 PM
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#995
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arsenal
There are only 2 things that make me question the JFK assassination:
1) Why did his head go back and to the left when he was supposed have been shot from behind?
2) Magic bullet theory.
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1) because the bullet exiting an object has more force than the entrance. shoot a water mellon and you'll see most of it will fall towards you.
2) No such thing a magic. 
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08-25-2009, 03:29 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
In the space of 27 months from March 1918 to June 1920 it is estimated that a full 1/3 of the worlds population was infected and conservatively 40 million people died....from the same strain as H1N1.
Extroplate that.
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It was actually more than that, some people say upwards of 100 million died and a third of the world population was infected (about 500 million)
More soldiers in WWI died from the Spanish flu than from combat...scary!
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08-25-2009, 03:54 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Edmonchuck
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Personally, I'm hoping one of the Lochness/Big Foot are true. I dont think they are, but it'd be kick ass to have a giant sea monster that is real.
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08-25-2009, 03:59 PM
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#998
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
Personally, I'm hoping one of the Lochness/Big Foot are true. I dont think they are, but it'd be kick ass to have a giant sea monster that is real.
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No love for Ogopogo???
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08-25-2009, 04:03 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Edmonchuck
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Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale
No love for Ogopogo???
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Dammit, yes! Ogopogo #1, what happened to that guy that had 15 minutes of footage? I read about it a few years ago, apparently it aired on tv???
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08-25-2009, 04:19 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: NE Calgary
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Well, I have a feeling you are going to enjoy this little video then.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cN1Tyf0GBM
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