[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[bubbsy]

Blame the dumb ass flames franchise and Andersson. He’s as bad as hanafin in the end. F ‘em hope they never ever ever win a cup in Vegas or anywhere else.

Some teams reshape their franchise in these types of moments. Flames just know how to all leverage. It’s a truly loser franchise.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/whit...to-join-flames

"leading Vegas rearguards with 774:22 in 5-on-5 ice time and 1,031 shifts according to Natural Stat Trick."

Does not sound like a 5-6 Dman to me. He is a 3-4 minute muncher Dman with an always nice to have right shot. Shutdown pair with Bahl?

Based on his enthusiastic reaction to playing back home in Canada I suspect we keep him for at least this year and move Hanley and Pachal at trade deadline.

Weegar is moving to the left side and will end up mentoring Parekh or Brz.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Weren't you saying a little while ago that you didn't even care about the return, as long as the team got rid of the player so they could tank?

Now that the trade has happened, suddenly you care about the return so you can have a new thing to complain about. Go figure.

There's no pleasing some people.

I wanted to trade him for any return when we were at the very bottom, correct. This was no longer the case because we got out of the bottom, and will not be guaranteed a top 3 pick.

I would have rather the trade made to any other team. And without Whitecloud or a vet being returned. I wanted to open a spot up for the young players, not try retooling.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I wanted to trade him for any return when we were at the very bottom, correct. This was no longer the case because we got out of the bottom, and will not be guaranteed a top 3 pick.

I would have rather the trade made to any other team. And without Whitecloud or a vet being returned. I wanted to open a spot up for the young players, not try retooling.

This is catastrophically flimsy reasoning and you know it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm sorry I don't like the return. You can mock me if you want, it doesn't change my opinion.

I'm mocking you for the over the top nonsense about Kadri and Coleman you just posted...although you wanted these guys traded for whatever like 3 weeks ago. Now a 1st, a 2nd that could become a 1st, and a mid NHL dman isn't good enough.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If you don't give no-trade clauses, you will never sign any useful player beyond age 27. That's just part of the cost of doing business. Every player and every agent expects it, and every other team will oblige them.

Blame the league for not getting restrictions on NTCs written into the CBA.

Who cares? Where has it got us so far?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I wanted to trade him for any return when we were at the very bottom, correct. This was no longer the case because we got out of the bottom, and will not be guaranteed a top 3 pick.

Oh, I see. I wasn't aware that the season was over already and the standings were locked in.

I would have rather the trade made to any other team. And without Whitecloud or a vet being returned. I wanted to open a spot up for the young players, not try retooling.

This isn't retooling. This is taking back a roster player because (1) you still have to ice a full roster and Parekh isn't ready, and (2) Vegas needed to lose salary to take on even 50% of Andersson's cap hit.

This is a 1st, a 2nd, a marginal prospect (whom the Flames' scouts have had plenty of opportunity to watch, so they may be seeing something there), and a throw-in. You're bitching about the throw-in.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Whitecloud could probably fetch us what Luke Schenn got.

2025-Mar-07 Traded from Pittsburgh Penguins to Winnipeg Jets for round 2 pick in the 2026 draft and round 4 pick in the 2027 draft

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This is catastrophically flimsy reasoning and you know it.

It is fine, you don't have to agree with me. It is an opinion.

I don't like the trade, sorry.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Who cares? Where has it got us so far?

Seriously? You think this team would do better if it never had any players signed past age 27?

There's a reason why no team in the history of the league has ever done that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It is fine, you don't have to agree with me. It is an opinion.

I don't like the trade, sorry.

V card again lol

have any opinion you like...its your reasoning that is suspect and being debated. We can also have opinions and use actual evidence to support them.

[bubbsy]

It’s hilarious people here feel the value whitecloud could fetch makes this an acceptable trade.

They traded him to make the playoffs next season.


That’s how this franchise works. Hopes and dreams, just get in

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

V card again lol

have any opinion you like...its your reasoning that is suspect and being debated

I'm not a victim, I'm just stating my opinions.

You don't have to agree with me. Clearly there are a lot of people who aren't as happy about the trade either. So it seems kind of split. You're going to get different opinions.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

To the next white knight defending Rhett...over the top crap like this is why he gets mocked

Is he wrong to mock Conroy though? Craig has twice shown he’s ok holding onto players until their UFA season and losing trade leverage. It might be a bit exaggerated, but the point he’s making is accurate.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What do you think he is worth?

Firstly, a guy like Whitecloud is only worth anything if a team covets and targets him. Otherwise, I think he's closer to waiver fodder than trade deadline asset. If he does get flipped his year, I think a team that targets him maybe offers a 3rd?

Secondly, I honestly think Conroy liked this player and targeted him, and I honestly don't think he will even be traded for anything.

The hopes of someone offering a 1st for this guy is pure fantasy.

[Vedder]

Ras will add a bit more juice to the series if Vegas ends up playing Edmonton again. He hates Edmonton, and they all feel the same. Vegas went pretty quietly last year so that’s a silver lining here for me.

[RedHawk12]

I think if someone offers a 2nd for Whitecloud, you take that and run. That's what I hope we do, at least

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I wanted to trade him for any return when we were at the very bottom, correct. This was no longer the case because we got out of the bottom, and will not be guaranteed a top 3 pick.

I would have rather the trade made to any other team. And without Whitecloud or a vet being returned. I wanted to open a spot up for the young players, not try retooling.

They are 1 pt ahead of 3rd worst in the NHL and just traded their top defender with over 30 games to play.

You are running out of runway.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Firstly, a guy like Whitecloud is only worth anything if a team covets and targets him. Otherwise, I think he's closer to waiver fodder than trade deadline asset. If he does get flipped his year, I think a team that targets him maybe offers a 3rd?

Secondly, I honestly think Conroy liked this player and targeted him, and I honestly don't think he will even be traded for anything.

The hopes of someone offering a 1st for this guy is pure fantasy.

He’s not waiver fodder imo. He played middle pairing minutes when Theodore and McNabb went down. He’s a fine 4/5 and holds his own. I think that fetches something, especially with the term.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

It’s hilarious people here feel the value whitecloud could fetch makes this an acceptable trade.

A 1st and a 2nd is a perfectly acceptable return for a rental on a top-4 D.

It's hilarious that you think Whitecloud even matters that much.

That’s how this franchise works. Hopes and dreams, just get in

That's why they never traded away Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Mangiapane, Markstrom, and now Andersson – just kept the same vets until they walked as UFAs because they were dead set on making the playoffs every year. Also why they wasted all that money on big-name free agents the last two years. Hopes and dreams, just get in!