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Old 10-29-2025, 01:02 PM   #981
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I am having a debate with someone about this. Does anyone have the stats of how many new schools are being built right now, and how many were built under the NDP.

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Old 10-29-2025, 01:03 PM   #982
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Hard morning for me with my daughter. She has an anxiety disorder and the start of the school year is always one of the most challenging times. This disruption early in the school year just put us back at square 1. The poor thing was so stressed she vomited on the way to school. We came back home to clean up, and then she vomited again when we arrived at the front of the school. To her credit she then went in and started the day and so far has been able to stay.

But these are the ways this impacts kids. I'm sure there are thousands of other stories of families who are dealing with all sorts of these complexities and challenges today.
That's tough. Sorry you had to go through that again. I was talking about this with my wife; I get WHY they didn't do the strike at the beginning of the school year, as wouldn't have been as impactful and were still hopeful for a resolution. But the start, stop, start again was noot great for kids. And giving then 1 day to prepare for this was no help either.
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I posted this in another thread, but its worth pointing out that the elections alberta website has been taken offline today....yet another horrifying overreach/obstruction of democratic rights as I'm assuming this is to stop further recall petitions from being filed.
Could be the Microsoft Azure outage.
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Hard morning for me with my daughter. She has an anxiety disorder and the start of the school year is always one of the most challenging times. This disruption early in the school year just put us back at square 1. The poor thing was so stressed she vomited on the way to school. We came back home to clean up, and then she vomited again when we arrived at the front of the school. To her credit she then went in and started the day and so far has been able to stay.

But these are the ways this impacts kids. I'm sure there are thousands of other stories of families who are dealing with all sorts of these complexities and challenges today.
Wow. That sucks, I'm sorry she has to go through that.
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Old 10-29-2025, 01:15 PM   #985
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Microsoft is apparently having some issues with their Azure platform (haven't looked into it, I just got an email from a service provider.) That COULD be the reason Elections Website is offline/slow.

But it could ALSO be the Government being the d1cks they are.
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Could be the Microsoft Azure outage.
Yeah I wouldn't panic about it being down right now. If it is down long term or comes back with important stuff missing then it is a different story.
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Old 10-29-2025, 01:22 PM   #987
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The general government website is working as far as I can tell including its links to various resources

Not sure how you’d navigate from it to the elections site though
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The general government website is working as far as I can tell including its links to various resources

Not sure how you’d navigate from it to the elections site though
The elections ab site is here:
https://www.elections.ab.ca/


They are independent from the govenrment, so probably running their own setup which is on Azure, so it explains why it is down.


Sometimes, it's just incompetence. If Microsoft is involved, it almost always is.
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Unions aren’t responsible for fighting for my concerns about class size. Where unions may want to act here is they have been legislated out of existence under this government.
Listen man, UCP Bill 2 didn’t legislate unions out of existence, Bill 1 did. That bill was their number 1 priority when this party took office in 2019. Ironically I distinctly recall you specifically(among others) arguing that I was out to lunch at the time when I explained how harmful a number of the changes to the labour code contained in that Bill would be to workers and unions in this province.

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If there is no consequence for the use of the NWC here then every public union fight will end with an imposed contract by the government. This is the most sympathetic union. People will care significantly less when AUPE is NWCd back to work.
What consequence do you expect the government to face through the actions you’re calling for? What about the workers you’re asking to have do this? Or their Unions?

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This is the end of public unions under conservative governments if this isn’t defeated through union action, the ballot box or in the courts.
Ballot box is really the only option. Why? Because even if the courts get it right the government can just do the same thing the next time they feel like it and say take them to court over it while they spend your tax dollars fighting it, so voting in a party that won’t do so is the solution.
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I like what Gil McGowan is saying in his speech. Hopefully there's support outside the unions as well and Albertans use this opportunity to take a stand.
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I am having a debate with someone about this. Does anyone have the stats of how many new schools are being built right now, and how many were built under the NDP.

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I don't know exactly how many schools were built under the NDP. I thought they claimed something around 200 schools built or upgraded under their watch.

The UCP made a big promise to put $8B into building over a hundred schools last year but have since put $0 into the budget to build a school. Promises do not mean much when your actions show you have no intention of following through.
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Missed the start, but sounds like a generally positive announcement that they are planning to go big with a general strike. Understandably need time to organize it and ensure buy in from members.

Some of the language is still kinda weak...implying it will be a one day joyful affair. TBF this is off the cuff response, and Gil is also trying to sell it to members...but I think they're being vague in the wrong places
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Missed the start, but sounds like a generally positive announcement that they are planning to go big with a general strike. Understandably need time to organize it and ensure buy in from members.

Some of the language is still kinda weak...implying it will be a one day joyful affair. TBF this is off the cuff response, and Gil is also trying to sell it to members...but I think they're being vague in the wrong places
Do you mean this one? The start is pretty big. Gil came right out and said that the unions have one goal now: To topple this government.

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I am having a debate with someone about this. Does anyone have the stats of how many new schools are being built right now, and how many were built under the NDP.

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I don’t have stats on this, but under the NDP, Alberta’s population growth did not see nearly the levels that are being seen right now. It held steady at about 1%. In 2024 alone, it grew by 4.4%, basically in one year we saw growth equal to the entire NDP’s term. It’s not about building schools, it’s about building the infrastructure to meet the demands of our province. And before they say it’s because of the Libs and immigration, remind them that the UCP launched this campaign.
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Yeah, it needs to be more than a single day. I'll join them, even if I'm not a union member.
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Here’s the notes from the AFL:

Gil McGowan:
- AFL will mobilize around recall campaigns, campaign, to defund private schools
- ⁠will begin organizing potential for general strike
- ⁠survey results from the largest private union (food, ie grocery store workers, etc)- 90% support teachers, 78% support a general strike, 69% will personally participate in strike
- ⁠can’t pull the pin today. There are 24 unions represented. All of the unions are signatories of the solidarity pact. All common front unions will talk with their members- engage with them on recall and other campaigns, and a general strike.
- ⁠text “resist” to 55255 fill out surveys regarding a general strike
- ⁠a general strike is not just about going against the notwithstanding clauses but also in support of the worker agenda- talks about ideas and recommendations for worker conditions for governments to consult with
- ⁠can’t make the decision on general strike until the unions go back to their members- will take time to mobilize. They will reach out to other allies and defended by the size of the movement.
- ⁠they need a critical capacity so that there won’t be enough resources from the justice system to be able to arrest or fine hundreds of thousands of workers

President of the Canada Labour Congress:
- ⁠Canada’s Labour leaders unanimously agreed to fight this across Canada including giving significant resources. Will work with the ATA on fines, but will require communication with the ATA. This is not a today decision however.
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Thanks for the great notes again, PointBlank!
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I recall Nenshi talking about it in his press conference. What he said aligns with what others have already mentioned. I also recall him mentioning a number in the 200s that the NDP were improving or building. That number with the UPC is 0. He also mentioned that the education minister wanted money and received none in the budget.
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Here’s the notes from the AFL:

Gil McGowan:
- AFL will mobilize around recall campaigns, campaign, to defund private schools
- ⁠will begin organizing potential for general strike
- ⁠survey results from the largest private union (food, ie grocery store workers, etc)- 90% support teachers, 78% support a general strike, 69% will personally participate in strike
- ⁠can’t pull the pin today. There are 24 unions represented. All of the unions are signatories of the solidarity pact. All common front unions will talk with their members- engage with them on recall and other campaigns, and a general strike.
- ⁠text “resist” to 55255 fill out surveys regarding a general strike
- ⁠a general strike is not just about going against the notwithstanding clauses but also in support of the worker agenda- talks about ideas and recommendations for worker conditions for governments to consult with
- ⁠can’t make the decision on general strike until the unions go back to their members- will take time to mobilize. They will reach out to other allies and defended by the size of the movement.
- ⁠they need a critical capacity so that there won’t be enough resources from the justice system to be able to arrest or fine hundreds of thousands of workers

President of the Canada Labour Congress:
- ⁠Canada’s Labour leaders unanimously agreed to fight this across Canada including giving significant resources. Will work with the ATA on fines, but will require communication with the ATA. This is not a today decision however.
Good. All of these are the things I was hoping and expecting to hear from the unions. I am pleasantly surprised that this is going nation-wide (and even further) as I thought there was a chance it was going to be an "Alberta problem".

Upon reflection, maybe that is the Albertan in me, my thinking was that our unions need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... If I am really honest, I've never really been a fan of unions in the past but they are surprising me and winning me over in this moment.

This is real populism.
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