[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Is that true?

Bean had 25 points in 63 games that same year (Kylington got 31 points in 73 games). And the following year Valimaki got 34 points in 78 games. I think these guys have had pretty similar trajectories (minus the leave of absence for Kylington).

I think so.

IIRC some of the Advanced metrics had him as a top 20 dman in the NHL that season based on average game score. He looked like a legit game breaker, especially before his injury that season. He was playing tougher minutes than Bean or Valimaki did and looked like a legitimate top 4 dman.

If he continued that level of play for the next two seasons and didn't have his personal issues then there wouldn't be a lot of people questioning a 4x $2.5M contract.

So it's just if you want to take the risk that you think he could be that guy again and try to buy low on him.

Personally I would not have advocated for that...but NHL GMs have given out worse contracts before.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's high risk potential high reward.

Kylington in 21-22 showed more in the NHL than Bean, Valimaki, etc have ever shown in the NHL.

It's not the smartest move in the world, but if you think that Kylington can be a top 4 d-man for you, then $2.5M x 4 years is potentially a worthwhile risk.

In the end I'm just sharing what a guy who has been proven to have some intel about the team shared on twitter. Not advocating that somebody signs him to a 4 year deal, just that the agent thought there would be a 4 year offer on the table and it didn't come to fruition since a different deal occurred.

Are you referring to the following Valimaki that has been a solid 4/5 defenseman for the past two seasons?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1807529963635056848



By comparison, this is Kylington at the same age after being boosted by Tanev:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1554586050286305284


Most teams in the league would probably take Valimaki @ $2M x 2 right now over Kylington on the same terms.

[saillias]

Everyone needs to listen to Steinberg and Wes' segment on the Kylington situation from the last hour. Basically there was a team with a 4 year deal on the table, prior to free agency, (yes yes tampering etc everyone knows it happens) that Kylington camp brought to Flames and wanted them to match, which Flames refused. This situation led to hurt feelings on both sides.

Then when July 1st hit that team Kylington had a deal with, had a different guy fall in their lap via "trade or signing" that they previously didn't expect to, (reading between the lines - probably Sergachev or Montour) and that left Kylington with nothing.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

CMPDave on twitter said in a thread yesterday that the Kylington camp believed there would be a 4 year deal on the table from a team in free agency...then that team made a trade to acquire a different dman and the offer never came to fruition.

So two teams stand out to me then:

Washington: Acquired Chychrun on July 1
Utah: Acquired both Sergachev and Marino on June 29

I could have actually seen both of those teams having interest in Kylington before they made their other moves...so seems like the agent burnt some bridges in hopes of greener pastures and the other team changed directions on him.

Washington makes a lot of sense with the old Wranglers coach there and him knowing Kylington very well.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by saillias

Everyone needs to listen to Steinberg and Wes' segment on the Kylington situation from the last hour. Basically there was a team with a 4 year deal on the table, prior to free agency, (yes yes tampering etc everyone knows it happens) that Kylington camp brought to Flames and wanted them to match, which Flames refused. This situation led to hurt feelings on both sides.

Then when July 1st hit that team Kylington had a deal with, had a different guy fall in their lap via "trade or signing" that they previously didn't expect to, (reading between the lines - probably Sergachev or Montour) and that left Kylington with nothing.

Knowing that Treliving has a fixation on certain players and LOVES to give out dumb contracts with term, I also wonder if it could've been the Leafs with that offer, which would have disappeared once they got either Tanev via trade (due to the $$$ and term they committed to him) or OEL (who would fill more of the same type of role as Kylington)

Edit: Just saw the tweet claiming it was WSH with the offer

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by saillias

Everyone needs to listen to Steinberg and Wes' segment on the Kylington situation from the last hour. Basically there was a team with a 4 year deal on the table, prior to free agency, (yes yes tampering etc everyone knows it happens) that Kylington camp brought to Flames and wanted them to match, which Flames refused. This situation led to hurt feelings on both sides.

Then when July 1st hit that team Kylington had a deal with, had a different guy fall in their lap via "trade or signing" that they previously didn't expect to, (reading between the lines - probably Sergachev or Montour) and that left Kylington with nothing.

Flames called his bluff. Too bad for him.

[saillias]

ah, just read cmpdave's tweet. he claims it was Washington who had the 4 year offer and then got Chychrun instead.

I get it 100% from Flames side, I wouldn't commit 4 years to this player today.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by saillias

Everyone needs to listen to Steinberg and Wes' segment on the Kylington situation from the last hour. Basically there was a team with a 4 year deal on the table, prior to free agency, (yes yes tampering etc everyone knows it happens) that Kylington camp brought to Flames and wanted them to match, which Flames refused. This situation led to hurt feelings on both sides.

Then when July 1st hit that team Kylington had a deal with, had a different guy fall in their lap via "trade or signing" that they previously didn't expect to, (reading between the lines - probably Sergachev or Montour) and that left Kylington with nothing.

In other words OK side was greedy. Flames held strong. And in the end, OK left with fewer options. Good.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Washington makes a lot of sense with the old Wranglers coach there and him knowing Kylington very well.

Kylington never played a single game for Mitch Love

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Kylington never played a single game for Mitch Love

Oh damn, I didn't look it up (obviously), but completely assumed he did! Thanks for pointing that out!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Washington makes a lot of sense with the old Wranglers coach there and him knowing Kylington very well.

Would he know him at all? Love never coached Kylington.

Love was the Heat/Wranglers coach for 2 seasons -- 2021-22 and 2022-23. Kylington was with the Flames the entire first season and was in Sweden during the entire second season.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Kylington never played a single game for Mitch Love

I was going to say the same thing. He has played for Huska his whole AHL career.

[cannon7]

Four years? Pass.

Fire your agent, Oliver.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by saillias

ah, just read cmpdave's tweet. he claims it was Washington who had the 4 year offer and then got Chychrun instead.

I get it 100% from Flames side, I wouldn't commit 4 years to this player today.

Especially if said player and agent attempted to take advantage of Washington's clearly illegal tampering after the support the Flames gave him. That must have significantly undermined the trust the Flames had in Kylington's camp.

Originally Posted by cannon7

Four years? Pass.

Fire your agent, Oliver.

I would offer 4 years X 1M. At this point, who says no?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh sweet summer child...we can have infinite ####-show threads!

This is CP in the Summer!!!

Something about infinite threads and CP just doesn't add up...

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Four years? Pass.

Fire your agent, Oliver.

They didn’t pass. The other team withdrew the offer. Bad luck for him

[868904]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Especially if said player and agent attempted to take advantage of Washington's clearly illegal tampering after the support the Flames gave him. That must have significantly undermined the trust the Flames had in Kylington's camp.


I would offer 4 years X 1M. At this point, who says no?

Flames, what if he decides he can’t play anymore? Just throwing $4 million away.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Especially if said player and agent attempted to take advantage of Washington's clearly illegal tampering after the support the Flames gave him. That must have significantly undermined the trust the Flames had in Kylington's camp.


I would offer 4 years X 1M. At this point, who says no?

Why wouldn’t he if someone offered him 4 yrs?
He is a free man

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Something about infinite threads and CP just doesn't add up...

We're fighting each other in every thread! Start another one and see what happens!

We've currently pacified Canadian Politics....for now.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Especially if said player and agent attempted to take advantage of Washington's clearly illegal tampering after the support the Flames gave him. That must have significantly undermined the trust the Flames had in Kylington's camp.


I would offer 4 years X 1M. At this point, who says no?

But why?