I had a longer reply, but then I decided it wasn't worth it. I don't find this topic or some of the community-submitted videos "boring and dumb". I find the topic, fun, imaginative, and a nice break from the rigors of our depressing reality or war, inflation and divisive politics. I suspect others who frequent this thread do too.
This is such abstract topic, you need to keep an open mind about what gets submitted here. If you're looking for rigors that are near impossible for anyone to meet - let alone regular CP members - you're going to be disappointed.
I get you want as much realism as you can find for 'silver bullet' evidence, but until then we get to have fun with the imagination and speculation of it all.
No one is suggesting it's aliens or saying anyone else is wrong, or saying anyone else is close-minded. If anything, that's sort of what you're doing in your post.
And although you are a great poster here on CP, you are falling into the classic tropes of the 'Mick West' strategy of just ####ting on every and all topical content because it doesn't meet your level of entertainment or interest.
I'm sure having to say as much is worth posting about in this thread.
I didn’t say the topic or video was boring and dumb, I said policing what people are allowed to think or say about aliens/UFOs/whatever and pretending it’s “keeping an open mind” is boring and dumb, and you just did more of it.
Again, I am legitimately happy for it to be whatever it is, from alien life to a camera blip. I enjoy trying to figure out what it is, and what it isn’t. I don’t know how many times I or other posters need to explain that without being condescendingly told what evidence we’re looking for, what we expect, and what we need to do to function in these conversations.
If you have fun posting unexplained videos and not thinking critically about them, I respect that. But I have fun watching unexplained stuff and thinking critically about it and trying to figure it out.
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No one is telling you what youre supposed to think of it. That's the whole point - some people jump to 'aliens' and others don't. It's open for debate.
Literally no one has forced any one narrative on you.
You keep jumping to being forced a narrative, but you yourself are doing the same thing by saying a narrative is forced. Again and again.
Are you going for the record for most posts in a row where you completely misrepresent what someone is saying? Because once again, I have said or suggested nothing along those lines.
How can I be more clear? To see the evidence that these could be physical objects (water disturbance, flying in formation) you have to start with the hypothesis that they are physical objects and look for evidence to support it. If you view the video with a completely open mind (could be magic space invaders, could be me having a stroke while watching the video) neither of those things are obviously those things. Get it?
“Falling victim to my own complaint”? Ozy, you have yet to even try to understand my criticism (not complaint). How would you possibly even begin to understand if I’ve fallen victim to it?
Christopher Mellon, one of the leading voices on the UAP file and former deputy assistant Secretary of defense for intelligence, addresses the problem of overclassification, especially as it relates to the presence of UAPs. Mellon argues that true scientific research into the phenomenon will be hindered if the UAP Task Force continues down that path.
Agreed, let's get this thread back to fun. I am a skeptic on most UAP stories, but still like reading and hearing about them because it is still fun to think about the possibilities, and yes, sometimes they are fun to debunk if possible. There are a few that I don't think have been successfully debunked (yet, or possibly never).
I am glad there are people and groups who look at the extraterrestrial possibilities because if it ever does happen, those will be the people finding it first and it would be incredibly exciting. There is no harm in what they are doing, so I don't why so many skeptics can get aggressive over it.
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Christopher Mellon, one of the leading voices on the UAP file and former deputy assistant Secretary of defense for intelligence, addresses the problem of overclassification, especially as it relates to the presence of UAPs. Mellon argues that true scientific research into the phenomenon will be hindered if the UAP Task Force continues down that path.
I think this type of argument from someone in Mellon’s former position suggests that the government isn’t covering up evidence that would prove aliens have visited earth.
This UFO got lots of attention in Columbia, news stations carried it and has a large amount of hits on youtube
What is it and where did it come from?
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Uhhhhh that was one of the worst “ufo” videos I’ve ever seen… yeah it looked a bug. One of the first questions anyone asks or looks into is if the video is a bug. It’s the most likely answer in every ufo video.
I don’t see how posts like this are either helpful or interesting. Did you find the first video convincing? Was this really a popular video somewhere? Or are you just being a bit of a jerk now?
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Uhhhhh that was one of the worst “ufo” videos I’ve ever seen… yeah it looked a bug. One of the first questions anyone asks or looks into is if the video is a bug. It’s the most likely answer in every ufo video.
I don’t see how posts like this are either helpful or interesting. Did you find the first video convincing? Was this really a popular video somewhere? Or are you just being a bit of a jerk now?
I don't find any UFO video convincing if it means aliens on this planet, ET would have to touch me with his red index finger before I ever believe aliens are here.
I posted that particular vids because apparently a lot of dummies believed it was a UFO. It was shown on news stations and the fellow who made it was trusted because he was a well known news reporter.
My point is people are gullible, whether it be bugs, flares, aircraft out of focus or hoaxes people jump on these things because they want to believe. It's like religion.
There's a reason there has not been one compelling piece of evidence that these UFO's are from aliens.
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‘Something extraordinary happened here’ – Colonel Charles Halt returns to UFO site in Rendlesham
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“It brings back old memories,” said retired US Air Force colonel Charles Halt on his return to the spot where, in December 1980, he was at the centre of a UFO mystery in Rendlesham Forest.
As deputy commander of Bentwaters and Woodbridge bases, Mr Halt wrote a memo to the Ministry of Defence describing the incident, and recorded what became known as the Halt Tape – made public the following year.
“I never intended for it to get out,” said Mr Halt, who carried out his investigation on December 28, 1980, during which he saw mysterious lights like those witnessed by three airmen on security patrol two nights earlier.
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“The story has become muddied over the years. I still don’t know why the CIA turned up here after the first night – and what was done to the three airmen, who have never been the same.”
In 2015, one of the airmen, John Burroughs, won compensation for illnesses he blamed on exposure to radiation from the event.
Mr Halt returned to Rendlesham with John Hanson and Dawn Holloway – authors of the Haunted Skies books, currently working on a second edition of The Halt Perspective – and by local ufologist David Young and Gary Baker, radar operator at RAF Neatishead from 1978-1980.
Mr Baker, from Ipswich, had returned from leave at the end of 1980 for the aftermath of the incident. He claims to have been told “this never happened” by RAF officers, and that radar tapes and bridge logs from the evening of the incident disappeared.
“Whatever the radar picked up, it wasn’t a subject of interest for interceptor aircraft because it didn’t come from the east – this was the height of the Cold War.
“It would have been sensible to quash any evidence. If something had happened, and it wasn’t picked up, it would have showed we weren’t capable of dealing with something from ‘above’.
“Later, I read the MoD said the radar had been switched off at the time, which is a load of rubbish.
“I’m no UFO nut, but something extraordinary happened here – outside the parameters of manned aircraft.”
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The Halt tape
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In December, 1980, U.S. military personnel located at RAF Woodbridge and RAF Bentwaters investigated unidentified lights over the bases and the nearby Rendlesham Forest. A tape recording made by Lt. Col. Charles Halt was made on one of those nights, and that audio is included here with background information and captions.
While an excerpt of the Halt Tape and its full transcription has been made publicly available by researcher Ian Ridpath, the Halt affidavit of June 2010 has complicated the integrity of Halt’s initial report.
According to Ian Ridpath, there are six notable problems with Halt’s claims. For instance, he originally failed to mention the nearby Orford Ness lighthouse, which could have been responsible for some of the lights. Later, he tried to claim that lighthouse was about 40 degrees to the right of where he saw the mysterious light. However, photographs and maps revealed the lighthouse was nearly in line with the direction he claimed to see the UFO.
Other oddities include Halt failing to mention a laser-like beam of light coming near his feet in his original audio recording or memo — while making a point to include this shocking claim in several interviews since 1980. Finally, Halt’s claim that “several airmen” were present and saw this laser beam is dubious, at least.
Airman Tim Egercic, who was on duty at the time, firmly denied seeing any such beams — as did Base Commander Col. Ted Conrad, Halt’s superior.
So Conrad was furious when Halt claimed in his affidavit that he believes a cover-up occurred on behalf of both the U.S. and the U.K. “He should be ashamed and embarrassed by his allegation that his country and England both conspired to deceive their citizens over this issue,” said Conrad. “He knows better.”
According to The Daily Mail, it’s been claimed that Britain’s Special Air Service (SAS) parachuted into the RAF Woodbridge complex in August 1980 and were later captured and subjugated to intense interrogation.
“After their release, the troopers made no complaint at their rough treatment but were determined to get their own back on the USAF for the beating that they received,” said British X-files expert Dr. David Clarke.
“In particular, their repeated characterization as ‘aliens’ sowed the seeds of a plan. They said: ‘They called us aliens. Right, we’ll show them what aliens really look like.'”
The theory posits that this group of disgruntled soldiers used helium balloons, colored flares, and lights that were tactically remote-controlled across the sky to fool U.S. and U.K. personnel.
Whether or not this tale of horseplay is true and explains away what happened in Rendlesham that December is unclear. As it stands, the frustrating mystery confused by contradictory accounts and levels of skepticism will likely remain open-ended for good.
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Medical payout for UFO mystery airman following Rendlesham Forest encounter
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Britain’s most famous UFO mystery has taken a new twist after a witness won compensation for illnesses he blames on exposure to radiation from the event.
US airman John Burroughs secured the settlement after years of trying to prove his ill-health was caused by the encounter in Rendlesham Forest.
A former Ministry of Defence (MoD) official said the payout confirms what he saw was real and had caused him physical harm.
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Lawyer Pat Frascogna, who represented the retired technical sergeant, said: “This excludes the bogus explanations put out there over the years. I cannot underscore what a major development this is. We’re more curious now than ever.
“We were denied access to records, mainly dating back to 1979, which we believe would have shown John had no health problems when he entered the air force, but that he developed heart problems and other ailments that arose from the incident.”
In fighting his case, Mr Burroughs used a declassified study code-named Project Condign, in which Rendlesham is described as an event where it “might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) radiation.”
Mr Frascogna said: “Condign specifically mentions the incident and how radiation from unidentified aerial phenomena could cause injury.
“John was able to furnish that document, and another dating back to the incident, when a radiation reading found levels to be significantly higher than normal.”
Mr Burroughs, who suffers heart problems and has a pacemaker, said: “I’m very happy we finally have some closure.
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British UFO encounter "gave me heart failure", says US airman after military chiefs agree to pay his medical bills
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Burroughs told Mirror Online: "I was not looking for anyone to believe me.
"All I have been concerned about was getting care for my illness. That was all that mattered."
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Burroughs and a colleague Jim Penniston ventured from their base to inspect the UFO at close range, with Penniston describing a strange silver craft covered in symbols which resembled heiroglyphics.
Shortly afterwards, Burroughs fell ill with symptoms resembling radiation exposure.
But the real problems started in 2011, when doctors were astonished after the mithral valve of his heart had failed - something which usually happens to men much older than 50-year-old Burroughs.
"I couldn't work and was going downhill fast," he continued.
Neither Burroughs nor his doctor were able to access his medical records, which were classified.
Burroughs even claimed the Air Force denied he was employed with them at the time of the UFO incident.
He asked for the help of presidential candidate Senator John McCain, who was also unable to get his hands on all the medical records.
Finally, Burroughs' legal team found two documents from the British Ministry of Defence which showed high levels of radiation were detected at the site where he encountered the mystery UFO.
The US Veterans Association and Department of Defence then agreed to pay for his treatment.
