[Rumour] McKenzie: dealbreaker for Flames is that Sens want Valimaki in Stone package

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Given that Stone's a rental, most of the return would need to be conditional on him re-signing / Flames succeeding. Two conditional firsts, Dube and a lesser prospect would be fine, and pin the conditions to WCF and / or a re-signed Stone. That way everyone wins.

I agree with the "don't trade Valimaki for a rental" notion and I don't think Kylington as the main young player going back gets it done.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by nik-

No one wants to admit they remember a line from Jerry Maguire.

Notting Hill.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Notting Hill.

[Muta]

If Stone isn't traded today and doesn't re-sign, Dorion should be fired.

[Loyal and True]

Doesn't everyone agree what 99% means ?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Dorion is an idiot but the Karlsson deal had a pretty good return, though it is a lot of quantity over quality.

Traded from Ottawa Senators with Francis Perron to San Jose Sharks for Dylan DeMelo, Chris Tierney, Rudolfs Balcers, Josh Norris, round 2 pick in the 2019 draft, conditional round 1 pick in the 2020 draft, conditional round 2 pick in the 2021 draft and conditional round 1 pick in the 2022 draft

yeah calling it just Tierney and picks is disingenuous.

that's the equivalent of the flames giving up Kulak, Jankowski, Mangiapane, Valimaki, a 1st, and a 2nd for Karlsson

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Muta

If Stone isn't traded today and doesn't re-sign, Dorion should be fired.

Fixed.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I am secure enough to admit I watched that with a girl 20-ish years ago.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Dorian is so annoying.

trades Hoffman for nothing.

Trades Karlsson for Chris Tierney and a pick or two.

Stone... Give me Bennett, your best D prospect, and a first...

Wonder what Tre did to piss him off so much

The return includes several picks and prospects. In exchange for Karlsson, the Senators receive four players — forward Chris Tierney, defenceman Dylan DeMelo, and forward prospects Josh Norris and Rudolfs Balcers — as well as a first-round draft pick (2019 or 2020) and a second-round pick in 2019. If the Sharks miss the playoffs in 2018-19, that first-rounder will be in 2019; otherwise, it’s a 2020 first-round pick that will go to Ottawa.

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I'm going to guess we still get Stone last minute, for a 2019 1st, conditional 2020 1st (if re-signs), Kylington & Dube

It's the downgraded offer vs. what they're apparently asking for. Would suck to lose Dube but we don't have a lot of room for him in the lineup in he next few years anyway, and we're only making the deal if we're signing Stone which would just be another guy in Dube's way.

[Tron_fdc]

For sure Treliving is still lurking, and for sure he's not overpaying.

I would dangle our 1st, conditional 2nd and a prospect out of Stockton (Dube or maybe Mangiapane) and that's it. Maybe give them Lazar back lol

Essentially what I'm getting at is we really don't need Stone, and if we can't fleece Dorion we should walk away. Stick with the horses that got you to the race; our roster is fine as is.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Loyal and True

Doesn't everyone agree what 99% means ?

that it's one reporter's opinion of the scenario at that snapshot in time? until the deadline passes and we get confirmation he hasn't been moved, offers can change, and so can team's "firm stances"

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Icon

I'm going to guess we still get Stone last minute, for a 2019 1st, conditional 2020 1st (if re-signs), Kylington & Dube

It's the downgraded offer vs. what they're apparently asking for. Would suck to lose Dube but we don't have a lot of room for him in the lineup in he next few years anyway, and we're only making the deal if we're signing Stone which would just be another guy in Dube's way.

Would happily trade Dube instead of any of our D prospects

[Bezer]

Yeah Vali is a dealbreaker for me as a fan. I’d do Kylington but not Andersson or Vali

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I am secure enough to admit I watched that with a girl 20-ish years ago.

I watched it 2 nights ago. Great show.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Icon

I'm going to guess we still get Stone last minute, for a 2019 1st, conditional 2020 1st (if re-signs), Kylington & Dube

I agree that this should get it done, but I think you'll see a bit of pushback around here for giving up two good young players and a first for a guy who might walk after the playoffs.

[Haplo]

Originally Posted by Captaincanada80

Source close to flames organization confirmed ask 2 weeks ago was BOTH Bennett and Valimaki with 1st

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I am secure enough to admit I watched that with a girl 20-ish years ago.

But American Pie had been released. And The Matrix. And Fight Club.

[liamenator]

I feel like the book on Dorion is out -- be patient, turn the screws, and he'll buckle. Hence the mostly lackluster returns on all of Ottawa's recent trades. So the Flames trickle word out to local media types to say they're basically out, put Maloney on TSN to do same, and then wait.

Incidentally, the situation Dorion is in is exactly the one Burke, by not buckling on Cammalleri in 2014, helped the organization to avoid during its own rebuild.

[TheScorpion]

oh good Justin Trudeau is joining tradecentre